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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Scratch 3.9 rocks on MacPro 8 core

jedi666 said:
well whats the cost to get the Scratchine' minus hardware if i wanted to run in bootcamp ala the above possibility.
just a theoretical. esp since apple is supposed to be shoehorning a quad core chip into the next macbook +pro's

who knows. but options are nice.
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Scratch Cine was designed specifically to address a set of capabilities needed by artists and facilities working with Redcode RAW footage -the most important being realtime full-quality HD/2K playout via HD-SDI.

You can only buy Scratch Cine as a turn-key solution integrated with a highly tuned, specially optimized workstation.

Aside from the whole Windows-vs-OSX silliness, there is no MAC Pro, HP or Dell on the planet capable of the performance required to reliably decode and output .r3d at HD or 2K. The reason is simple. All those systems are too slow.

Also, obviously there is no solution for HDSDI output via NVIDIA Quadro on the MAC right now anyway.

It's great that Scratch runs in Bootcamp, but frankly, without full hardware support. it's a mostly just an academic endeavor. You won't be able to do much beyond simply conforming your r3d stuff. And there are other tools for that which might be more cost-effective on a MAC.

Cheers,

Adam
BOXXlabs
 
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There is no R3D conform option in the SCRATCH evaluation (it is disabled and see on the above picture) and I unfortunately could not test it.

scratch_macbookpro17.jpg


But there is an option to process or to export 4K DPX files you were cutting in FCP (imported in SCRATCH via FCP XML/EDL) that you could collect them for example using Macbook Pro on external SATA drives (on how many it's depend on your project size). Of course it takes time to process but don't forget that just 3 years ago computers were not powerful like today. And DI was also done on those slow computers looking from today's point of view.

Or imagine that you are making your project in the middle of concrete or any other real jungle and just from one box that is in this case MacBook Pro you are able to edit, grade, conform and to deliver in the final DXP files that are ready to print on film.
And only on Apple Intel hardware you can cross OS just in one box.

I call it AppleREDBox.
 
BOXXLabs said:
...You can only buy Scratch Cine as a turn-key solution integrated with a highly tuned, specially optimized workstation.
...
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Hey Adam,

Jumping in for a second...

This is not correct. You can buy SCRATCH-CINE as software-only!

But you are correct that without the hardware support that enables the realtime output, it is mostly an academic exercise.

Best,

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA
 
The Third Man said:
There is no R3D conform option in the SCRATCH evaluation (it is disabled and see on the above picture) and I unfortunately could not test it.

But there is an option to process or to export 4K DPX files you were cutting in FCP (imported in SCRATCH via FCP XML/EDL) that you could collect them for example using Macbook Pro on external SATA drives (on how many it's depend on your project size). Of course it takes time to process but don't forget that just 3 years ago computers were not powerful like today. And DI was also done on those slow computers looking from today's point of view.

Or imagine that you are making your project in the middle of concrete or any other real jungle and just from one box that is in this case MacBook Pro you are able to edit, grade, conform and to deliver in the final DXP files that are ready to print on film.
And only on Apple Intel hardware you can cross OS just in one box.

I call it AppleREDBox.
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Hey Sanjin,

The "REDCODE" box in Process that you highlight doesn't actually affect what you can and cannot conform. If you have the "Edit" and "Media Layer" parts of SCRATCH, then you have the capability to conform.

I see in your snapshot that you have "Edit," and if you can load R3D clips at all, then you have "Media Layer."

So... you actually do have the capability for a full R3D conform. : )

Best,

Lucas
 
luki said:
This is not correct. You can buy SCRATCH-CINE as software-only!
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Hmm.... I won't ask how much it is for the software-only version (I know it's against the rules).

Has anyone tried a PC Quadro SDI (4600 or 5600) card with Scratch on a Mac Pro running XP using bootcamp?

I know the card wouldn't work while in OSX, but it should work just fine under XP, right?
 
i agree and completely understand there is no realtime performance under anything but the pre-sold or approved config.
if in my workflow i dont have the need to output 2k HDSR tapes then having a non-realtime but stronger than RedCine alternative is appropriate for me and my facilities workflow was all i was asking about especially if i wish to maintain a tapeless workflow.

i appreciate everything both Assimilate and Boxx is doing to make this process as affordable as possible but a software only/non realtime version thats better than the free RedCine is still a viable product in my eyes regardless of platform or workstation.
 
luki said:
Hey Sanjin,

The "REDCODE" box in Process that you highlight doesn't actually affect what you can and cannot conform. If you have the "Edit" and "Media Layer" parts of SCRATCH, then you have the capability to conform.

I see in your snapshot that you have "Edit," and if you can load R3D clips at all, then you have "Media Layer."

So... you actually do have the capability for a full R3D conform. : )

Best,

Lucas
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Hey Luki,

I'm just watching tutorials on video and report later what I've learned about conform, process and output in my SCRATCH academic exercise.
 
Gene Crucean said:
I just wanted to backup laguun on this one. Mac's ARE PC's now... meaning, the hardware inside is what determines it's speed. If you build a PC with better specs, it will outperform the Mac and vise versa.

What bugs me about what Bob said is that it comes from that old school mac-head attitude.
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Ever heard this one ?

"What do you mean, Mac's crash ?!"

Sorry, couldn't help myself :shiftyph34r:
 
luki said:
Who gives a crap? You buy whatever computer you need to run what you want to run. If you want to drive a car, buy a car. You want a high-performance racecar, you soup it up. For running REDCODE at 1/2 rez high for realtime color correction and output, a souped-up PC does the trick. A Mac does not. Period, end of story.

As soon as a Mac does that, then there will be more options. Right now, there is only one, and it isn't built in Cupertino.

There are plenty of places to start an OS flame war. This isn't one of them.

Best,

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA
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So say we all :ninja:

(Did I mention I was a Battlestar Galactica nerd ?)
 
Guys,

at the moment I am enjoying to work with Scratch 4.0 (evaluation)

on my MacBook Pro 17" 2.4 GHZ Intel Core Duo + Nvidia GeForce 8600M GT.

I call it RED-FCP-Scratch-MacBook BOX.

More later with a description of the whole concept.
 
Sean said:
So...is there a ScratchCine software-only version currently for sale? Or not yet? How much is it? Seems to be a subject of some debate, which makes me think it's still not for sale?
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I actually posted this awhile ago, but threads sometimes get lost...

SCRATCH-CINE is for sale. It is list price US$17,500 software only.

We have worked very hard with hardware vendors like BOXX to put together bundles we know work and work well. We are selling a lot of the bundles right now, but you can also buy sw-only.

Best,

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA
 
if i buy the SW only 17.5k version now and decide at a later date i finally need the HW performance/options can assimilate then sell me the HW for the remaining price on the bundle? :detective2:
 
luki said:
I actually posted this awhile ago, but threads sometimes get lost...

SCRATCH-CINE is for sale. It is list price US$17,500 software only.

We have worked very hard with hardware vendors like BOXX to put together bundles we know work and work well. We are selling a lot of the bundles right now, but you can also buy sw-only.

Best,

Lucas
-----
ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA
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Thanks Luki. Couldn't find that info on Assimilate's site.
 
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