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Scratch 3.9 rocks on MacPro 8 core

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Scratch 3.9 rocks on MacPro 8 core even with ATI X1900XT card.

Absolutely fantastic. Works well and much, much better then version 3.6 that I evaluated in December last year.

Assimilate should ones more to re-think/re-consider about an option to sell just software to all RED Mac users and make all of us happy.

It is about to use just one box to start (cut in FCP) on Mac OS X and finish in Scratch (grade and confirm) on Boot Camp Windows XP.

Wait and your dreams will come true if Assimilate could decide with the best price in a favor of REDusers.

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Scratch 3.9 running in Booth Camp Windows XP on MacPro 8 core 3.0 GHz, Apple Cinema Display 30".
 
gunleik said:
It can't without the quadro FX SDI card
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Yes Gunleik you are right.

But I have probably the lowest PC/Boot Camp solution that Scratch can run on Mac nicely.

The higher option is to get Quadro FX 4600/5600 Mac version and the latest 3.3 GHz MacIntel computer.

But now all what I wanted to say that to play with R3D files like a native ones is only true option for REDuser. Then you can conform starting with 4K 4096x2048, etc... No DPX, Cineon, Tiff, ProRes, Avid DNX, Cineform, AVI, etc... conversions. Also Scratch 3.9 finally have got nicely optimized to do this R3D work that even rocks on my MacPro 3.0 GHz 8 core. Tomorrow I'll tell you what is going on with MacBook Pro 17" Dual Core 2.3 GHz.
 
It has been my understanding from previous posts by Lukas w/Assimilate, that they will sell you the sofware only. Is this not true?
 
gunleik said:
It can't without the quadro FX SDI card
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Even if Boot Camp fully supported Quadro SDI on MAC - you still would not have the compute performance (even on the fastest MAC available) to output 4K r3d footage at full quality HD or 2K.

For this, you will need a certified Scratch or Scratch Cine system.

But it is cool that Scratch can run on a mac with boot camp. For doing conforms and a few other tasks, I can see this as possibly quite useful for certain folks who won't consider a Windows system.
 
The Third Man said:
But now all what I wanted to say that to play with R3D files like a native ones is only true option for REDuser. Then you can confirm in any format and size you need that starting with 4K 4096x2048, etc... No DPX, Cineon, Tiff, ProRes, Avid DNX, Cineform, AVI, etc... conversions. Also Scratch 3.9 finally have got nicely optimized to do this R3D work that even rocks on my MacPro 3.0 GHz 8 core. Tomorrow I'll tell you what is going on with MacBook Pro 17" Dual Core 2.3 GHz.
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Hi,

just curious, why do you want to use windows? Would you not rather use Speedgrade XR under OSX on the apple pc? scratch is a cool system, but i think for a real scratch you would be better served with a microsoft-os pc and a nvidia quadro sdi, not an apple pc w/o sdi.

regarding conversion: cineform is in my opinion rather an enhancement of the raw workflow than an conversion, as a) you get non-destructive colorcorrection metadata with raw access b) are not only native raw in FCP, but also Adobe CS, combustion, fusion, maya etc c) you gain realtime 2K and 4000pix editing (not proxy or wrapper) editing in FCP and 2K/4K on PPro.

And good to hear that scratch runs good on an ATI1900 card. Have you thought about using an HMDI->SDI converter on the 1900 in order to compensate the missing SDI? blackmagic design just has introduced inexpensive ones, for 495$
http://decklink.com/products/miniconverters/
 
nacamera said:
Since XP runs FASTER in Bootcamp on a Mac, than any comparable native PC, performance should not be an issue.
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sorry, thats wrong - there are many faster pcs than apples pcs, from skulltrail to 16cores, and a pc, no matter what logo is on it, runs as fast as its building parts . a sticker wont improve speed.
 
laguun said:
sorry, thats wrong - there are many faster pcs than apples pcs, from skulltrail to 16cores, and a pc, no matter what logo is on it, runs as fast as its building parts . a sticker wont improve speed.
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Maybe Apple should consult Bruce Allen for building faster and cheaper MacIntels and also give him to optimize all Apple Pro Apps especially FCP and Color from tons of bugs that can finally run better in his famous trailer company in LA :clown2: :) :) :) .
 
laguun said:
sorry, thats wrong - there are many faster pcs than apples pcs, from skulltrail to 16cores, and a pc, no matter what logo is on it, runs as fast as its building parts . a sticker wont improve speed.
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I just wanted to backup laguun on this one. Mac's ARE PC's now... meaning, the hardware inside is what determines it's speed. If you build a PC with better specs, it will outperform the Mac and vise versa.

What bugs me about what Bob said is that it comes from that old school mac-head attitude.
 
laguun said:
sorry, thats wrong - there are many faster pcs than apples pcs, from skulltrail to 16cores, and a pc, no matter what logo is on it, runs as fast as its building parts . a sticker wont improve speed.
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Skulltrail? Sounds pretty custom-build to me. Let me clarify, I was speaking of off the shelf--Apple Store vs. Gateway Store, vs. Dell Store, vs. Best Buy, etc. computers. I am aware that there are endless boutique operations on the PC side (and even a few on the Mac side) that do soup up the stock computer. I was not speaking of them---and yes STOCK Mac versus STOCK PC (Dell, Sony, HP, etc...)of comparable architecture shows in countless bench mark tests that the Mac will run XP AND Vista faster (in the vast majority of cases).
 
nacamera said:
Skulltrail? Sounds pretty custom-build to me. Let me clarify, I was speaking of off the shelf--Apple Store vs. Gateway Store, vs. Dell Store, vs. Best Buy, etc. computers. I am aware that there are endless boutique operations on the PC side (and even a few on the Mac side) that do soup up the stock computer. I was not speaking of them---and yes STOCK Mac versus STOCK PC (Dell, Sony, HP, etc...)of comparable architecture shows in countless bench mark tests that the Mac will run XP AND Vista faster (in the vast majority of cases).
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Who gives a crap? You buy whatever computer you need to run what you want to run. If you want to drive a car, buy a car. You want a high-performance racecar, you soup it up. For running REDCODE at 1/2 rez high for realtime color correction and output, a souped-up PC does the trick. A Mac does not. Period, end of story.

As soon as a Mac does that, then there will be more options. Right now, there is only one, and it isn't built in Cupertino.

There are plenty of places to start an OS flame war. This isn't one of them.

Best,

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA
 
well whats the cost to get the Scratchine' minus hardware if i wanted to run in bootcamp ala the above possibility.
just a theoretical. esp since apple is supposed to be shoehorning a quad core chip into the next macbook +pro's

who knows. but options are nice.
 
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