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Scarletuser.com

It will definitely be at least 2K because of the US Trademarks put on it, but wouldn't it be something if red blew us away with a 4K camera? ...don't think its happenin' though
 
I think it's going to be a 2540p camera that costs $2K, hence scarlet2k.com is going to be a fansite showing praise for the price.

I think that scarletuser.com is going to be a redirect to the scarlet section (going to have a lot of sub-forums) like HVXuser is to DVXuser.
 
If had to bet, I would count the most on these two issues:

1) Scientifically it is known that in this kind of situations the average of all the guessing is often pretty accurate. Maybe somebody knows the name of this, but the point is that a large group of people tend to make better estimates than any single expert. Historically, the idea was invented about 100 years (?) ago, when somebody asked the audience of a farm exhibition to guess the weight of a cow. The average of the very large number of guesses turned out to accurate within tens of grams.

2) If Red follows ordinary business strategies, then Scarlet will share as much technology with Red One as possible within the decided frame of costs. This did not imply Scarlet is a 4K camera, but rather something like CF-card data storage, same audio hardware as in Red One, perhaps the lcd of Red One EVF is exploited in Scarlet, perhaps the mini xlr's, RedCine workflow and so on.
 
ha ha ha.. I grabbed scarlet2k.com after someone posted the (quite public) old 2k Trademark info as "Scarlet2k".. I kinda liked the way it sounded, thats all.

Trust me, if this was some sort of "secret info" or actually revealing some sort of telling info, it wouldn't still be here..
 
Jarred Land said:
Trust me, if this was some sort of "secret info" or actually revealing some sort of telling info, it wouldn't still be here..
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Info like this stuff below that was posted on cine.....com

Mark Image
Word Mark SCARLET 2K
Goods and Services IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: Digital cinema camera systems and accessories, sold individually or as a unit, comprised of, cameras, camera lenses, flash memory cards, electronic memories, hard drives for video recorders, video monitors and flat panel display screens, all for use in the creation, storage, delivery, manipulation, recording, playback or viewing of video, music, graphics, photos, audio, text, and multimedia data; cinematographic projectors; photographic projectors; slide projectors; computer programs for digital cinema cameras; audio and visual educational and teaching apparatus and instruments, namely, computer hardware and computer software programs for the integration of text, audio, graphics, still image and moving pictures into an interactive delivery for multimedia applications, computer white boards, video projectors and video display monitors

IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Leasing or rental of cinema equipment and systems for use in the creation, storage, delivery, manipulation, recording, playback or viewing of video, music, graphics and audio and video broadcasting in a specified image format

IC 042. US 100 101. G & S: Development of new technology for others in the field of image format technology involving or relating to the dissemination, broadcast or transmission of video, music, graphics, photos, audio, text, multimedia, computer programs and data in a specified image format, and consultation related thereto
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 77083222
Filing Date January 15, 2007
Current Filing Basis 1B
Original Filing Basis 1B
Published for Opposition January 22, 2008
Owner (APPLICANT) Red.com, Inc. CORPORATION WASHINGTON P.O. Box 1389 Eastsound WASHINGTON 98245
Attorney of Record Janet Robertson Kaufman
Disclaimer NO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE "2K" APART FROM THE MARK AS SHOWN
Type of Mark TRADEMARK. SERVICE MARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE
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yeah.. all public records. nothing that exciting.
 
the 2K cat is out of the bag

the 2K cat is out of the bag

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It only makes sense to use the same Mysterium chip and Red Code that has already been developed. No need to reinvent the wheel. Now will it be windowed? Will it use rangefinder or S16 lenses? AF? That is all stuff we don't know. But It will be 2K. It is undeniable. It just makes me not trust Jarred. It ain't just a river in Egypt.
 
Eugene said:
It only makes sense to use the same Mysterium chip and Red Code that has already been developed. No need to reinvent the wheel. Now will it be windowed? Will it use rangefinder or S16 lenses? AF? That is all stuff we don't know. But It will be 2K. It is undeniable. It just makes me not trust Jarred. It ain't just a river in Egypt.
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You can trust Jarred. All he's saying is that he's not saying anything.

I doubt its the same chip, as the cost of the chip likely goes down as it becomes smaller. Instead I'd predict a 2K chip with Redcode stuff the same.

IBloom
 
I'm not much of a speculator, but I'm guessing the Scarlet is all about smart marketing. They've put a lot of resources into developing RED and I'm sure they'll make moolah off the venture, but why not tap into a much larger market with the $2,000-$6,000 cams that 90% of us buy? The RED is priced good for its features, but it's still out of the range of most small independent flmers (and serious hobbyists). The lenses and high-end computers required for editing RED footage is 'relatively' expensive too. If you can use your existing technology, strip some of the fancy bells and whistles so you're not hurting your high-end product, yet still appealing to the serious videographers in the Sony EX1 - Panny HVX200 market where you'll sell a lot more units, I call it a win-win for RED and videographers. Mr. Jannard didn't get to where he is today by accident. There's a smart brain behind them sunglasses and we all benefit. I'm buying the Sony EX1 now because I need it (and I like it), and if the specs and price are right with this Scarlet, I'm sure I'll be needing a second camera when it comes out. I tip my hat to Mr. Jannard for his entrepreneurism and dedication to success.
 
Jarred Land said:
ha ha ha.. I grabbed scarlet2k.com after someone posted the (quite public) old 2k Trademark info as "Scarlet2k".. I kinda liked the way it sounded, thats all.

Trust me, if this was some sort of "secret info" or actually revealing some sort of telling info, it wouldn't still be here..
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Jarred, can you tell me why you liked the way it sounded? You are a really smart guy and I am curious, if the camera is going to be 4k, why did Scarlet2k.com sound like a good name to buy? That doesn't make much sense to me, kind of like Panasonic marketing a 1080P television with a 720P.com domain name. Or Intel marketing a 4ghz chip with a 2ghz.com domain name.

To me, Scarlet2k.com communicates 3 things:

1) The name Scarlet.
2) 2k resolution.
and
3) By the mere fact that resolution is mentioned, you can infer that resolution is the key differentiator from the Red One as the current domain is just red.com. After all, you didn't buy ScarletPocketCam.com, ScarletFlashCam.com, Scarlet4k.com or even RedScarlet.com.

Please don't tell me it has anything to do with the year 2000 ;-)
Perhaps the price is $2k (haha yeah right)

Thanks in advance for you clarification on this matter.

I could understand if it did 4k at 24fps, and really performed at high frame rates at 2k and was more optimized for 2k across the board. Then the emphasis would be on 2k would be warranted, but I still don't think I'd market it as 2k if it had any reasonable 4k performance.
 
A lot of times I question the intelligence of some forum members. Go to: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7200 , brooke summarized the facts and I remember Jim Jannard saying a couple of times that the camera is going to be a "professional" one, not consumer, not prosumer but clearly "professional". And still people are presuming that it's going to be a prosumer cam.
 
Lauri Kettunen said:
If had to bet, I would count the most on these two issues:

1) Scientifically it is known that in this kind of situations the average of all the guessing is often pretty accurate. Maybe somebody knows the name of this, but the point is that a large group of people tend to make better estimates than any single expert. Historically, the idea was invented about 100 years (?) ago, when somebody asked the audience of a farm exhibition to guess the weight of a cow. The average of the very large number of guesses turned out to accurate within tens of grams.
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Vox populi , by Francis Galton
 
Very nicely done! I remain cynical as to the indie filmmaker appeal Scarlet seems to have prematurely garnered - it could just as easily be a Sumix-like remote head or a lipstick/helmet cam - but I for one would not be disappointed if your friend was right.
 
Big T said:
I wonder....
Young designer downstairs recons this is it.
As you can see he's a RED nut....Then again, so am I.
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I think he is close but I think he forgot to include the flip out lcd.
I would be shocked if Scarlet did not have a flip out.
 
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