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Scarlette arrived ??? (2) Ready for ENG !

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A canon 7D ready for ENG ! :emote_22_yikes:

Lighter than the broadcast unit and maybe... cheaper.... :devil:

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http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com/2009/09/27/tv-cameraman-matt-jasper-unboxes-and-rigs-up-his-new-7d/
 
Wow - a professional camera that shoots h264. On what planet wouldn't you buy an EX3 or similar? DOF or not, I just don't get it. You don't see these discussions on other sites because there are more camera people here that broadcast post people. No broadcast company that would even consider this.
 
I'm trying to figure out why on earth you would want a dslr rig for news gathering? Wouldn't the cons vastly outweigh the pros in such a situation. ENG I mean?
 
Good luck with that.
 
Ben Holmes said:
Wow - a professional camera that shoots h264. On what planet wouldn't you buy an EX3 or similar? DOF or not, I just don't get it. You don't see these discussions on other sites because there are more camera people here that broadcast post people. No broadcast company that would even consider this.
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Properly exposed and colour balanced H264 is certainly good enough for ENG. And there's no reason why the 7D and nice glass could not make better pictures than an EX3 with the stock lens - depends on the shooter and the application. You see shocking shaky, over exposed so called 'broadcast quality' footage all the time shot with EX1/3s by production assistants etc.
 
Ben Holmes said:
No broadcast company that would even consider this.
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And you've shot these cameras side by side so you have an informed opinion?

Here's a quote from a guy who has:
"If the only difference between the 5d's implementation of the codec and the 7d's is the bitrate (higher on the 7d) then you can fully expect the 7d to have "less compression" than the Ex-1/3. You have to remember that xdcam is based on mpeg2 and H.264 is mpeg4.

Mpeg4 is much more efficient than Mpeg2. Meaning, mpeg4 is less visual compression even at the same data rate as mpeg 2.

I have worked with both the 5d and Ex1/3 and can tell you without a doubt that Canon's H.264 codec holds up better than Xdcam, especially with heavy motion.

In all honesty I would rather own a 7d with a Zoom H4N than an Ex-3 (barring the discovery of major problems that aren't in the 7d specs).

My 5d is working a lot more than every Ex1/3 that I know. "

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=181983
 
This is seriously stupid. Are you going to watch some of the stuff shot by Phil bloom and that carnival short and tell me that it's not good enough for broadcast? Come on, seriously. DOF argument is dumb, because you can't even get shallow dof during the day without ND filters. H.264 holds up fine (especially at 45mbps), RAW is not worth $15000... Unless a studio is backing you.
 
Bryce O said:
This is seriously stupid. Are you going to watch some of the stuff shot by Phil bloom and that carnival short and tell me that it's not good enough for broadcast? Come on, seriously. DOF argument is dumb, because you can't even get shallow dof during the day without ND filters. H.264 holds up fine (especially at 45mbps), RAW is not worth $15000... Unless a studio is backing you.
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Is RAW worth $3750?
 
Andy Taplin said:
. You see shocking shaky, over exposed so called 'broadcast quality' footage all the time shot with EX1/3s by production assistants etc.
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I've actually seen a National Geographic episode (can't recall title or series, but it was surely about wild animals - as that's what I watch the most on that channell) shot on EX1 that was almost entirely over-exposed - I guess, the guy who did it was using the LCD (which is darker) and not the EVF (which is brighter and makes you see what the sensor sees in terms of light) for irising.

That said, H264 is too light-weight to be the capturing format imho - it would be like giving the broadcasters a DVD instead of a tape.
 
looks like a pretty cool starter rig
 
Emiliano Ranzani said:
I've actually seen a National Geographic episode (can't recall title or series, but it was surely about wild animals - as that's what I watch the most on that channell) shot on EX1 that was almost entirely over-exposed - I guess, the guy who did it was using the LCD (which is darker) and not the EVF (which is brighter and makes you see what the sensor sees in terms of light) for irising.

That said, H264 is too light-weight to be the capturing format imho - it would be like giving the broadcasters a DVD instead of a tape.
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Very true as digital broadcast should be open to color grading and h264 will fall short of giving a talented colourist what he needs to truly shine... Raw however .. now thats another story - long live the Red Raw Revolution (mmmm sounds a bit sore ;)
 
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If you really do mean ENG, then three comments.

The longer the camera rig the more vulnerable you are to snagging on something.

Then consider how you are going to pull focus, aperture and zoom on the 7D rig.

And then consider how quick is it to edit H.264 v's one of the other video codecs.
 
I thought the main draw of the 7d was that it was cheap... not so cheap if you are going to throw all that zacuto gear around it :)

Just saying... by that time the whole scarlet 2/3 is obsolete nonsense goes out the window... b/c you aren't saving money, and Scarlet will do a million things that the 7d doesn't, and a million things better... other than a larger sensor.

later,
jason
 
Yeah, the rig is too long. There is no need for that battery at the back. the 7D and 5D can run for hours on a single, small, internal battery. I also question how he's going to pull focus and whether the editors are going to want to deal with H264 footage.
 
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