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Scarlet W ultra low light clips

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Kenneth C Merrill

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Just saw this on Vimeo. I've really wanted to pull the trigger on Raven but have hesitated, wondering if it will really be a step up from my Scarlet MX enough to justify $10K. I was especially worried about how it would perform in low light situations. This definitely gives me an idea, and it's almost sealed the deal.

https://vimeo.com/161147865
 
It is impressive. Keeps me thinking about moving up to the Scarlet-W. I wonder which OLPF.
 
Kenneth C Merrill said:
Just saw this on Vimeo. I've really wanted to pull the trigger on Raven but have hesitated, wondering if it will really be a step up from my Scarlet MX enough to justify $10K. I was especially worried about how it would perform in low light situations. This definitely gives me an idea, and it's almost sealed the deal.
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Hey thanks for posting this! People seem to beat me to posting them hah! I'm happy people are looking for it and finding my videos.

Standard OLPF ;)

Can't imagine how good it can be with Low Light OLPF!

All shot at a F/2.0 or F/2.8
 
Brian Nguyen said:
Hey thanks for posting this! People seem to beat me to posting them hah! I'm happy people are looking for it and finding my videos.

Standard OLPF ;)

Can't imagine how good it can be with Low Light OLPF!

All shot at a F/2.0 or F/2.8
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nice! love the blacks.
so when you choose redgamma4, is that something you applying after? or in camera? and if its in camera, is that the prores and then you have the raw? just trying to figure out how to do settings and i dont have my camera yet. thanks!
 
jordan levy said:
nice! love the blacks.
so when you choose redgamma4, is that something you applying after? or in camera? and if its in camera, is that the prores and then you have the raw? just trying to figure out how to do settings and i dont have my camera yet. thanks!
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You can choose any color/gama settings in camera to get a nice contrasty look while shooting. It is all raw data though, so in redcine you can change it back to redlog film as a starting point to grade off of if you choose. I like to shoot at regamma 4, and have a button assigned to show me my raw data exposure in the histogram. Red raw is a thing of beauty, it is hard to work with other formats once you have had a taste.

If you were shooting Proress, I'm assuming it would be a baked in look like other non raw formats. Im sure there is some redraw clips floating around to download. Get redcine and have a go with some footage perhaps.
 
Brandon Kelly said:
You can choose any color/gama settings in camera to get a nice contrasty look while shooting. It is all raw data though, so in redcine you can change it back to redlog film as a starting point to grade off of if you choose. I like to shoot at regamma 4, and have a button assigned to show me my raw data exposure in the histogram. Red raw is a thing of beauty, it is hard to work with other formats once you have had a taste.

If you were shooting Proress, I'm assuming it would be a baked in look like other non raw formats. Im sure there is some redraw clips floating around to download. Get redcine and have a go with some footage perhaps.
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oh, so i just didnt know it applied the look of the gamma choice to the actual clips, i thought it was only for the display.
 
Brody_B said:
Hey Brian, any chance of getting a download link to the R3Ds?
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I can upload one or two maybe, which clip in particular would you want?

jordan levy said:
oh, so i just didnt know it applied the look of the gamma choice to the actual clips, i thought it was only for the display.
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It's for both. In Resolve you can choose a variety of gamma settings, RedGamma4 included, which I decided to use because most people like to use RedGamma4 in their display when they shoot. It's a bit more contrasty than the other gamma settings but it's a great starting point and I thought most people would be familiar with it.
 
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Brian Nguyen said:
I can upload one or two maybe, which clip in particular would you want?



It's for both. In Resolve you can choose a variety of gamma settings, RedGamma4 included, which I decided to use because most people like to use RedGamma4 in their display when they shoot. It's a bit more contrasty than the other gamma settings but it's a great starting point and I thought most people would be familiar with it.
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oh ok, so you added it back in resolve, but when you bring it in it doesnt have the gamma you chose attached as a lut, right?
 
jordan levy said:
oh ok, so you added it back in resolve, but when you bring it in it doesnt have the gamma you chose attached as a lut, right?
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Hi Jordan, a gamma curve is like an instruction booklet for a display to interpret luma levels in an image file. When you record a raw image, the "image" is actually just a bunch of values assigned to a pixel matrix. In order for those value to be displayed on anything, a gamma (and color space and profile) must be used to interpret the numbers. A gamma curve isn't something you "apply" or "attach" to your footage; without a gamma curve, there is no such thing as footage, just number values in a matrix. Now, a photo from, say, your iPhone will have the color and gamma curve baked into the jpg file. The luma values are interpreted a certain way before they are even recorded, and then that interpretation is compressed so you don't even have the original values. That's why compressed footage is harder to grade. On the other hand, when you pull a raw file into an image processor (like Redcine-X or DaVinci Resolve or Photoshop), you can tell the program to interpret the luma values of the file with different gammas. So, in Redcine-X you can use RedGamma 2 or 4 or RedLog Film (just another kind of gamma) to see the values differently. This will result in a flatter or more contrasty image to start your grade from. But the gamma interpretation is NOT part of the grade; it's just how you're deciding to view your footage. Some people like to start with RedLog Film and grade based off of that; others like to start with a more natural look like RedGamma 4.
 
I would love to check a couple of RAW frames from the low light test too. The first shoot (opening bomfire) and the 4th would be amazing

Brian Nguyen said:
I mean I'm not going to upload every single R3D, it would be too big. Is there one scene in particular you want?
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