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Scarlet vs. HVX

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many people keep bringing up the HV20 as a competitor to the Scarlet... well, that's not really a fair fight, is it? RAW vs HDV? tiny consumer cam vs pro gear?

the Scarlet strikes me more as a potential winner for the HVX crowd. assuming the Scarlet can shoot various frame sizes and data rates, that will make it similar to the HVX. it records to solid state media -- just like the HVX. it has variable frame rates -- ditto the HVX. neither accommodates interchangeable lenses. they are natural competitors.

the HVX contains everything needed to shoot other than P2 media for $5000. the Scarlet needs a few add-ons but costs $3000.

so the question is... how will the footage compare?

the Scarlet's 2/3" sensor is large, but the HVX has three 1/3" CCDs. 3k res is a lot of pixels for the size of the Scarlet's sensor, but the HVX can't even max out the detail on a 1080 frame so i don't expect it to win in that department.

the HVX has beautiful colour handling but fails to impress in low light. it certainly doesn't have as much latitude as the RED One, but that's the $18,000 model.

what kind of look does $3,000 get you? how will the Scarlet stack up against the HVX? that's what i'm wondering. anyone care to speculate?
 
I'm assuming Scarlet will blow the HVX out of the water as far as image quality goes. I use a hv20 now, I'm going to get rid of it as soon as I get scarlet.
 
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this is the assumption, and if this is the case then why is anyone talking about the HV20? The HVX blows the HV20 out of the water and costs what a Scarlet costs.

if the Scarlet blows the HVX out of the water, now that's something to talk about. it's hard to believe there have been so many threads about interchangeable lenses...
 
The HVX has a lot going for it, however, that can't be overlooked simply because it shoots less definition.

* Ability to record to HD and to larger card formats
* Familiar form-factor
* Focus-Assist
* More powerful/faster lens
* Bevy of 35mm adapters already on the market
* Familiar workflow
* Ability to shoot miniDV format for non-HD necessary projects (weddings, visual storyboards, etc)
* Viewfinder :p

The camera also has issues. Resolution is one. 1/3 chip is another.
 
HVX is old technology circa late 2005/early 2006. That's an eternity in digital cinema technology. Better to compare Scarlet (which doesn't have a release date yet) with other upcoming offerings from Sony, Panavision, etc. Or compare it to the EX1 or EX3. No one knows how much Scarlet will cost once you add on accessories, etc.

It will probably blow away most them away, especially for the price.
 
I was at NAB yesterday and I sure cant wait for Scarlett, but the reality is thats at least a year away, so the HVX is here to stay in my book for the meantime.
 
The new HVX200a is supposed to have the same low light capabilities as the Sony EX1. Also, since it's a 3ccd camera it doesn't have the rolling shutter problems that a CMOS camera like Scarlet could. But yeah, resolution-wise scarlet will definitely be better.
 
kmikami said:
Oh really? In features maybe but in image quality? The HVX may have an edge but it's hardly a blowout.
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Definitely not a blowout. And in theory, I think you can get 1920x1080 with 4:2:2 color space and square pixels off the HV20's HDMI. I don't know if that has every been settled definitively, though.

I used to own the HVX and the HV20, and the images are not that far apart. Features, of course, go to the HVX. HVX is also better with motion, I think.
 
Tom said:
Definitely not a blowout. And in theory, I think you can get 1920x1080 with 4:2:2 color space and square pixels off the HV20's HDMI. I don't know if that has every been settled definitively, though.

I used to own the HVX and the HV20, and the images are not that far apart. Features, of course, go to the HVX. HVX is also better with motion, I think.
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oh... in my opinion it's a blowout. i worked in post on a show with Viper A cam, HVX B cam and HV20 C cam. some of the HVX was almost indistinguishable from the Viper, but the HV20's images always felt like a cold dose of ugly reality.

i'm interested in how yesterday's $5000 winner will compare to tomorrow's...
 
REDneck said:
oh... in my opinion it's a blowout. i worked in post on a show with Viper A cam, HVX B cam and HV20 C cam. some of the HVX was almost indistinguishable from the Viper, but the HV20's images always felt like a cold dose of ugly reality.
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hmmm.... interesting.
 
Panasonic is not standing still, you can bet on that. Look what they did April 14, 2008. They announced quite a few cameras with improved CCDs and other things. They are going to sell a ton of them THIS YEAR for people that need them and want them now.
And do you seriously think that the engineers at headquarters, or wherever the heck they are, are going to take a year off and wait to see what Scarlet is going to be and then say: Oh we better come out with something similar or better, we are so behind….. Please, wake up and understand technology, marketing, sales. Panasonic is part of the big boys of this business. They are working on tomorrow’s technology while they stuff their coffers with lots of money from their existing products of today.
I have an HVX and want a Scarlet but my eyes are wide open to the real world.
 
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