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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Scarlet update in mid-May

Well, If I can get a decent lens for $2000 and if it can enhance the quality of the T2i footage then I would do that, but not with 7d. So in total $3000 is my limit for camera + lenses because I need to keep Scarlet in mind.
 
I feel that the T2i and 7D will produce similar video, but the 7D would perform better in stills (where these cameras were created to operate), so the T2i quality shouldn't be an issue. Picking between the two should be based on how often you will need to take great still photos I guess.
 
Emanuel A. said:
They share the same sensor size, not exactly the same sensor. A similar one for sure.
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I was actually under the impression that they did share the same sensor with several other features (better body, dual Digic 4 processors, etc) being what differentiates the two cameras. Can anyone verify or dispute this for sure?
 
Terry VerHaar said:
I was actually under the impression that they did share the same sensor with several other features (better body, dual Digic 4 processors, etc) being what differentiates the two cameras. Can anyone verify or dispute this for sure?
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Is dpreview a reliable verified source enough? ;-)

«it's not the same sensor, though it is apparently 'very similar'»

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/CanonEOS550D/

You can also google it with 'similar sensor' or something similar ;-)


Hope this helps,
from a reliable-individual-source anyway :laugh:,
E. :-)
 
Alan Zarnegar said:
I feel that the T2i and 7D will produce similar video, but the 7D would perform better in stills (where these cameras were created to operate), so the T2i quality shouldn't be an issue. Picking between the two should be based on how often you will need to take great still photos I guess.
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Hey! For once I may be the perfect person to answer something.

I just shot a whole project on 5d mkii, 7d and t2i.

Research showed that the video processor and sensitivity was identical. and this is what I found as well. I literally have identical shots from each camera to confirm this. And the T2i takes amazing 18 mp stills at 3.6 / sec. Including raw. If video is at all your goal, go T2i and get good glass (and to make sure moderators don't take away our thread) save the glass for scarlet. Might I recommend:

A - A canon L series wide zoom (like 16-35) that is 2.8, a 1.8 50mm ef lens, and a modest telephoto to round it out for now

OR

B - A SIGMA EX set built around their 18-50mm 2.8 with a few primes for wider and telephoto.

either option should fit your budget, and transfer over to Scarlet when it comes out some day and IF it has the Canon mount ready to go.

I love L series glass, thats what I shot my project on, but sigma glass kicks major butt too. and DP review has a hard time with Sigmas high end lenses not being identical to the L series at 18 + mp, at a paltry 1920 x 1080, would probably never see a difference, yet you would get a broader set of glass... to someday use on scarlet.


OH! um, a good tripod head, and shoulder rig with 5+ pounds raw weight so your stuff doesn't look like bad home videos.....


Jeff
 
Just to reiterate what's been said before:

You should't really wait on the Scarlet to be making money. Having a Scarlet will not automatically make you money. With it's expected popularity, a lot of people will have about the same access to an amazing camera. Maybe people should see if they can pay off the camera they can afford now.

If you have a hard time making $800 with a camera in 6 month's time, maybe you should think twice about putting $6K-$10K into getting a decent shooting setup and a workflow solution?

Each person might be different though. Just sayin'...
 
Joseph Hutson said:
Just to reiterate what's been said before:

You should't really wait on the Scarlet to be making money. Having a Scarlet will not automatically make you money. With it's expected popularity, a lot of people will have about the same access to an amazing camera. Maybe people should see if they can pay off the camera they can afford now.

If you have a hard time making $800 with a camera in 6 month's time, maybe you should think twice about putting $6K-$10K into getting a decent shooting setup and a workflow solution?

Each person might be different though. Just sayin'...
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But that is not why a lot of us are wanting it sooner rather than later. I am filming *my* first short film I wrote and I'd like to shoot it on something nicer than what I can get right now. Since it's my cost and I am doing this for me, and not with the focus of profit, I can wait.

Just because someone has access to a Scarlet doesn't mean they will instantly make a lot of money. That said, I have no question that the quality *I* can deliver with the Scarlet WILL secure more work. No question. Because it offers more freedom in my shooting.
 
Jeffrey T. Morgan said:
Hey! For once I may be the perfect person to answer something.

I just shot a whole project on 5d mkii, 7d and t2i.

Jeff
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Jeff,
I feel like you guys are god sent. :Angel_anim:

ok, What kind of projects are possible --(time to get greedy)-- can I make projects which can be telecast on TV, like a indie feature film with SFX.

I read in some review that the footage from tsi is not good enough for postproduction work (especially the Greenscreen because H.264 compression that limits the color spectrum ?) and I intend to do a lot of VFX, how true is that. :bigear:

If required I will purchase the 5d or any other camera in that range if its good enough for a decent VFX.

Please suggest.
 
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Man I'd hate to have to deal with Greenscreen and VFX on 5D2 footage. :(

At that point, you'd be better off recording the uncompressed HD off the EX3 with a Kona3 or Ki-Pro.

-michael zaletel
 
Joseph Hutson said:
Just to reiterate what's been said before:

You should't really wait on the Scarlet to be making money. Having a Scarlet will not automatically make you money. With it's expected popularity, a lot of people will have about the same access to an amazing camera. Maybe people should see if they can pay off the camera they can afford now.

If you have a hard time making $800 with a camera in 6 month's time, maybe you should think twice about putting $6K-$10K into getting a decent shooting setup and a workflow solution?

Each person might be different though. Just sayin'...
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Its not about the camera. Its about if you're limited by the camera.
 
James Stone said:
Jeff,
I feel like you guys are god sent. :Angel_anim:

ok, What kind of projects are possible --(time to get greedy)-- can I make projects which can be telecast on TV, like a indie feature film with SFX.

I read in some review that the footage from tsi is not good enough for postproduction work and I intend to do a lot of VFX, how true is that. :bigear:

If required I will purchase the 5d or any other camera in that range if its good enough for a decent VFX.

Please suggest.
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It's not about technology or resolution it's about content, morals, characters, and story quality.

Yeah MkII sucks but you know I've had mine for over a year and has paid itself off along with accessories and a 7D (Not to mention great profit margins). NO COMPLAINTS FROM MY CLIENTS AS FAR A QUALITY GOES.

Lucas Films is down and they're the leaders in CG and writing Code for cinema. And they know their limits but they put up with it, again they can afford to but it's a note to be taken.

http://dslrfilm.com/?p=946

http://philipbloom.co.uk/2010/05/12/redtails/

It all depends how badass you are or the people you know who can share a vision as one.

Also House episode is on the 17th. All on a MkII
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/canon-5d-mark-ii-used-to-shoot-entire-house-season-finale-direc/

Video is not like photography you don't get good over night, video requires more practice than you like and need a passion to drive you day in day out.

If I could have gotten a Scarlet in 2009 I would have gotten one, if I could have gotten one Early this month I would have gotten one. But 1080p is a damn good VHS if you ask me. Of course the current Canon DLSR line doesn't score a 100% but it's 2010 and we have this decade and some change to get a high res (8K) standard much like photography in the 2001 to now (4 MP-21MP).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_single-lens_reflex_camera
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EOS-1D

Dude Marty approves of 1080p in high bit rates and good blu-ray scans hook it up. Even The Spirit, as lame as it is the digi looks awesome for panivision genesis. 1080p isn't the coolest but it gets the job done very compatible and becoming more common and pretty soon it will be everywhere. kinda like USB versus Firewire. Compatibility always wins over quality. sorry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MNJXSwgVKU

Light peak sounds cool and all but USB 3.0 not too bad either.
 
Man I'd hate to have to deal with Greenscreen and VFX on 5D2 footage. :(

At that point, you'd be better off recording the uncompressed HD off the EX3 with a Kona3 or Ki-Pro.

-michael zaletel
 
Another concern with T2i that I read is you don't get true HD output in the HDMI while recording compared to 7D.
 
James Stone said:
Another concern with T2i that I read is you don't get true HD output in the HDMI while recording compared to 7D.
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5D Mark II either. It isn't really necessary for accurate 1080p monitoring anyway. This isn't 4K or 5K ;-)

To me, there are other ventral aspects, further important. The more the shots come, the more I feel the small factor is the way, the upcoming future, to go.

Today's news. From Cannes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/movies/16hellman.html?ref=movies

«... the entire film was shot on what is essentially a still camera (the Canon 5D Mark II), while looking like a mega-million Hollywood production. (“Road” cost “under five million,” Mr. Gaydos said.)

“The great thing about this camera is you don’t need permits because no one knows you’re shooting,” said Mr. Hellman, who as a 10-year-old made his first photographic enlarger out of a soup can and a cigar box. “It has the capability of shooting high-def movies. On a little flash card. You can shoot 12 minutes at a time. Which is still more than you could shoot on 35 millimeter; a 35 millimeter reel is 10 minutes. It’s fantastic. And it looks like a still camera.” He said another film at Cannes was shot with the same kind of camera, “but they started shooting in December, and we started in July, so I guess we’re the first.”»

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