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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Scarlet update in mid-May

Jimmy Odom said:
From what I can glean from the forums the T and F's are the exact same measurment. It's just a matter of professional word choice vs non ASC reference.

Kinda like saying tomato or tamato.
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The F number is the ratio of the aperture diameter to the focal length of the lens. An f1 50mm lens would have a 50mm wide aperture also.

If a lens was perfect and transmitted 100% of the to the sensor or film, the F stop and T stop would be the same. But most lenses, especially zooms, transmit a bit less than 100%, usually within a few points of 90%, not too critical a difference in most circumstances. T stops accurately mark the actual light transmission value of a lens and are used exactly the same way to determine exposure. Both values are usually marked on the lens as the f stop is used for depth of field calculations and T stops for exposure.
One reason good cine lenses are so expensive compared to most still lenses is the higher degree of precision in their construction and calibration.
 
David you Sir, are ALWAYS a wealth of knowlege. Thanks so so much.
 
We're not necessarly waiting on a specific date per'se for the announcments. Jim's actually awaiting some information that he'll then use possibly for the update. So it's probably been told to him that that info would be ready by the Mid of May, which means that that time frame could vary.

From The BOSS's mouth
 
Better be worth my time cause I'm tired of all this non-sense.

If the Scarlet line isn't out by Q3 it's over. Every company has something up their sleeves (for Q4 or 2011) and are smart enough to not shout it all out but in small incremental whispers.

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I'm cool if they scrap the Scarlet line and release it when it's ready rather than these subtle hints of announcements that do nothing but make it worst. Focus on your Epic, it's obvious your trying to kill cinema film and it's more important than the Scarlet line I think. There's plenty of cameras out there to hold us up until RED is ready for their Scarlet line.

I love people who have a dream/goal that work hard to create their initial beliefs into reality; it's why we live and it drives our soul. I've never met Jim but he is a rare breed of dude that digital cinema needs. He's under tons of stress and overworking but whatever, it's in our American culture to hustle and make things happen and Jannard is doing just that. He's gotten Panavision/Arri/Canon/Panasonic off their asses and created fresh competition that I would love to have seen in the early 2000's but computer tech just wasn't there. Now it's here but our software has to keep up as well as code development.

Best of luck RED I really hope you can make it happen.

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Scarlet 2/3 is the perfect upgrade for my company (aiming for a s35 also later) and I can't se any competitor close to it at the moment. Then its a good chance you get free updates that gives the camera even better images. I don't know youre needs so I don't blame any one for not waiting. I think one of the best things about the Red company is that it is so open about there development so user have the chance to feedback and give inputs. And you don't have to have an multibillion company to get an interview with Ted=). One other thing that I love about the red cameras. It's not different versions for European, japan and US! In Europe we had to wait like a year extra for the European version of Panasonic Hvx 200. Man that sucked. With scarlet at least its the same for everyone as far I now anyway.
 
geoffboyle said:
2/3 makes a huge amount of sense if you're shooting 3D.

I'm really interested in Scarlet for just this use.
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It makes a huge amount of sense for me at 2D too! :) Now 1D, I'm not so sure. Hehe.

(But yes, I agree! The fact for under $10k you *could* be shooting a 3D image with new fixed kits. that is pretty impressive.
 
Better be worth my time cause I'm tired of all this non-sense.

If the Scarlet line isn't out by Q3 it's over. Every company has something up their sleeves (for Q4 or 2011) and are smart enough to not shout it all out but in small incremental whispers.
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Of course, those companies also don't have open development processes that directly influence the camera they build and ultimately release. There is more than one way to do business... Each with their pluses and minuses... Imagine a camera company building a camera the usual way, with a closed development process, and when that camera comes out, it comes with some very promising features but only shoots 30p.... That would never happen, right? :) Or, telling everyone what you plan on building, and shaping what you do end up building based on their response and feedback, and ideas, etc... Though, at the expense of now having certain dates people expect you to live up to, b/c one they are actually aware of it, and 2, their feedback has led you to want to make changes that will make a better camera than what you had originally envisioned.
 
Jason Ramsey said:
Imagine a camera company building a camera the usual way, with a closed development process, and when that camera comes out, it comes with some very promising features but only shoots 30p.... That would never happen, right? :)
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Yeah, but this camera company release the camera and people use it despite its imperfections and it causes a groundswell. Then they release firmware after awhile to make it 24p. Also in the meantime, people are reacting to the product and examining what works and what needs improvement.

Would it have been better to shelve the camera an extra 18 months and not have anybody use it for anything? No way.

I think that it makes sense that these big companies are coming out with a new model every 2 years. People have such a litany of needs and wants. You are never going to come out with a camera that satisfies for more than a couple of years.
 
like I said... different styles of doing things, each with their own pluses and minuses...

As an aside, it seems that these companies are coming out with new cameras every 6-12 months now, vs. the typical 2+ years. Which isn't something that I personally am that comfortable with as a consumer... That's just me though, and doesn't make it right or wrong for someone else. But, something that attracts me to the incremental upgrade potential of a more modular system. That, and the ability to create a 5-6 grand'ish package that has the same exact image capability of creating a 20 grand package. Or, being able to start with that 5 grand package and work it up to a comprehensive 20 grand one.

Again, another example of different ways of doing things. One way appeals to some, another way appeals to others. All have their trade offs and disadvantages.

Buy a new camera with x company every year or two, or do incremental module upgrades as technology increases. Or, move up and/or down the brain chain as finances/needs dictate.

Some folks are more than happy flipping relatively expensive cameras on ebay regularly. personally, I am not. I look for more longevity in my purchases. Which is why I like to be able to upgrade my computer piece by piece, something I like about Cinevate... I remember buying a 35 adapter from them a few years ago that started its days as a beta product, was upgraded for a few hundred to a REV2 by me, and was recently upgraded by someone I sold it to, to their current model for a couple hundred bucks. Something that is appealing about the upcoming dsmc system for me.

I just don't see it so much as a one or the other. I see it as options, and buy into the system/company that works best for you. I'm glad RED doesn't do business like all the others, and I can live with the negatives that come out of that in exchange for some of the positives (to me) that I don't get from other folks. Like open development. Ability to speak with high up folks in the company on a daily basis, etc, etc, and have reasonable feedback heard and sometimes incorporated into a program. Regular updates to cameras that not only fix bugs, but add new features, and to get them for free. All these different products out there from cameras, to bluray players that have had the ability to do firmware upgrades on the user end, but most of them never add anything significant to their products. Only fix bugs, and/or update to meet current technology (i.e. larger or faster cards, etc) so the product doesn't go obsolete before their next product release. Again, just speaking for myself, but I like those contrasts, and I swallow the negatives that come with it. Just like someone else swallows the negatives of a larger company that does business in a different way. Though, I've also noticed RED be more reluctant to release certain information and/or projections due to the inevitable fallout they receive when they don't hit those dates, or the program changes, etc. So, in that respect, you've gotten to see RED do things just a bit more like the other folks.
 
It takes a little longer to develop finished market ready products when you are building a completely new camera system from the ground up that goes well beyond anything that has been done before in so many areas.
Its not like adding a few incremental new features to existing technologies or camera lines every year or so or migrating existing technologies like H.264 video from lower end consumer products into the higher prosumer and professional lines..
 
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