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Scarlet to outside camera comparison

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Nick Mercer

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I, like most of you, cannot wait for the Scarlet to be released. I refuse to spend money to get a camera that is not the Scarlet. But what would be the camera most like the scarlet as far as features. Of course it won't be 3k or REDcode RAW, but which camera would you say is the most like a Scarlet. Consider price, quality, and workflow.
 
Probably JVC's recently announced 4k 1/2 sensor'd fixed lens cam.. I suspect every other company will flood the market shortly thereafter with 4k cams as it will be replacing "HD" as the new buzzword and next level standard. Supposedly it will come in at around $6k.. Both don't exist right now.
 
Red Scarlet is very unique on workflow and image quality, but with price unknown...

the prototype JVC 4K camcorder I saw had poor low light performance
and consumer video image quality and codec- that's it's achilles heel.

It's OK for "video" use outside with plenty of light, but indoors it's pretty useless
on it's own...

Once you see the JVC Image quality, resolution will be the last thing on your mind...
I would best describe the image quality as consumer video HD, certainly not cinematic.


I assume the Scarlet RAW footage could be adjusted to intercut with Sony EX-1/3 or good Panasonic AF100/ Sony FS100 1080p footage,
but not easily the other way around...

Best other option would be to rent Red...
 
Only camera that comes to mind as being "similar to Scarlet" is the SI2k. 2/3" CMOS, RAW capability, compact.....granted, it needs to be tethered to a PC. Nice system overall.
 
Alex Frausto said:
Only camera that comes to mind as being "similar to Scarlet" is the SI2k. 2/3" CMOS, RAW capability, compact.....granted, it needs to be tethered to a PC. Nice system overall.
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I have heard a lot about Silicon Imaging's SI2k. Seems to me that would be one of the closest. What would be your thoughts for lenses for the Scarlet? RED Mini Primes or different?
 
Nick Mercer said:
I have heard a lot about Silicon Imaging's SI2k. Seems to me that would be one of the closest.
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Still... the SI2K will only do 30fps @ 2K... and cost more... and that's without lenses if I'm not mistaken.

Kyle: first response, best response. There simply isn't one.
 
I am personally very interested to see how Scarlet 2/3" does versus current similar priced (or lower-priced) larger sensor cameras and DSLRs in terms of :
- low light performance
- color rendition

Obviously Scarlet will KRUSH ALL in terms of resolution, frame rate, bit depth, lens data recording, genlock, stereo sync, etc. But if the low light performance is really bad and the color rendition doesn't make things look nice... then I'll take a Scarlet 2 with Dragon Sensor instead, please :)

Current competitor in the same price range would be the Sony FS100? Or how about a GH2 with an external recorder attached?

At the moment I'm playing with a little Nikon D7000 and in low light it is AMAZING. Not exactly what you'd call pixel-for-pixel sharp at 1080p though :)

Bruce Allen
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I am not a fan of the DSLR's overheating issues. And if I got a DSLR I think Ted would come shoot me. :)
 
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I've been ready to buy Scarlet(s) for three years. The 3k for 3k idea, even with the original three-year-old sensor and specs would still blow everything else away. Hi resolution, hi framerates, great compression, RAW, small physical size. I've been dying for it all this time. 3k for 6k, whatever, I just want it. In the meantime, I have four GH2s with some great old Canon lenses, and the Voigtlander F.95 which is crazy fast and crazy shallow dof on the micro 4/3 sensor. Still, the compression kills me. I follow the hack progress, mostly hoping for a fix for the 24p hdmi cadence cripple, so I can spend more money to add Ninjas for ProRes recording. That will be really sweet. And nowhere near a Scarlet. I try not to get frustrated.
 
Jance said:
I try not to get frustrated.
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I think we are all way past that point lol. But you have to learn to be patient with RED. In the end it's all worth it as I'm sure you already know.
 
Jay Birch said:
2/3" interchangeable, raw, small, similar price to get shooting. Such a beautiful camera.
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Well.... 1 - 30 fps, 1920 x 1080 pixels and I'm not a big fan of CinemaDNG .... I think the 2/3 Scarlet have a few strong points here.. but the A-cam dII body is really cool!
 
Nick Mercer said:
I am not a fan of the DSLR's overheating issues. And if I got a DSLR I think Ted would come shoot me. :)
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I was unable to do a shoot due to overheating a few weeks ago. I was going to do a dance video in an urban location. We did some photos before the shoot, and it was 95 degrees with about 90% humidity, and the camera overheated. That was it, the shoot was over. I couldn't shoot any video. Very disappointing.
 
Wow Jay. Never heard of these before... but very interesting. Still can't really compete with the beast Scarlet. <3
 
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