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Scarlet S35 vs Scarlet FF35

Miguel Queiroz

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I am slightly confused (mainly for my lack of knowledge) about the differences between these two brains. I used to aim for FF35, but after reading some topics here, I think it might be overkill, since I'm much more into Professional Film than Photography. I've read about several differences between these 2 sensors, like:

1: Mysterium-X vs Mysterium Monstro
2: Redcode 80 vs Redcode 100
3: Super 35, 30mm x 15mm, 5.4µm pixel pitch, 13.8MP Vs Full Frame 35mm, 36mm x 24mm, 6.0µm pixel pitch, 24MP

... But I'm still too confused about what this really means in practical terms, when it comes to image quality in motion pictures.

I've read that the FF35 only has advantages in image quality, when shooting stills. Is this true, and why?

Do they shoot exactly the same image resolution and quality, in motion? What's the difference in shooting 6k and 5k, then? And what's the difference between 13.8MP and 24MP resolutions?

What's the resulting difference for shooting film, between X and Monstro sensors, or between Redcode 80 and 100?

Anyone helping me clarifying these issues will help me better understanding what will be a more suitable purchase for my needs.

Thanks in advance!
 
Without getting too technical the S35 scarlet will have a picture quality that is good enough for anything anyone would use it for cinematically, including people with the last name Spielberg. Having said that, the FF35's picture should be quite a bit better. It will have the Monstro which will give it quite a bit better DR and DOF. And the price really isn't so much more money then the S35 relatively speaking. But it wont come out until about 6 months after the S35.

Basically the S35 is better then good enough for anything someone in this price range would ever need (picture quality wise) but the FF35 should be quite a bit better. And have more features that you may or may not need. That is for you to decide.
 
understandably to some extent there is generally a concentration on moving image use of these cameras but I'm wondering what would be the difference between them for use as still cameras. I guess specifically what would be the maximum physical size for professional print (on paper - if you can remember that stuff :-) ). I mean for real world book illustrations not printed at home on your (maybe) super-duper printer.
anyone able to shed any light on that please? Thanks!
peter
 
Thanks for both replies so far... Looking forward to further insight. Please don't worry about getting too technical... What I don't understand, I'll ask for further explanation. :wink:

Thanks for the link, Luis!.. It's the same information already available on the Scarlet FAQs thread, but graphically displayed on a comparison table, which is always helpful.
 
Assuming you were using both within a mainstream, professional environment (i.e. with 35mm cine-lenses, and a dedicated focus-puller) the key differences would be whether you wanted greater total resolution or greater total dynamic range.

Shoot with s35mm lenses, the Scarlet S35 would offer you 5K resolution and 11 stops of DR, and the Scarlet FF35 would offer you 4K resolution and 13 stops of DR.

I think that's the easiest way of looking at them (comparatively), things change if you intend to use larger-format, non-cine lenses on the FF35.
 
Market for Scarlet FF35: Still or motion photography?

Market for Scarlet FF35: Still or motion photography?

Which is the market that Red wants to target with FF35 and S35 ?

If it is still pro photography market: then FF35 has the right and desired specs. But then, it is in competition - - even if FF35 eventually becomes the winner - with top-end Nikon, Canon, Leica S2 cameras and other digital MF . Note that other systems are complete unit sans lens, and hence, a complete ready-to-shoot FF35 might be more expensive than the other top-end cameras. Is FF35 as ergonomic, hand-holdable as Nikon, Canon, etc?

As of now, there are not too many people who have competence in both the media and also there is perhaps less professional demand.
 
BigOBCD said:
It will have the Monstro which will give it quite a bit better DR and DOF.
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Just so there isn't any misinformation floating around, the "Monstro" chip will not give you any different DOF than a "Mysterium" chip based on specs alone. In this particular case, the Monstro chip in the FF camera is a bit larger, which means that compared to the S35 version you will get shallower DOF if you are to use lenses on it that match the FOV of the two cameras. However, if you put PL-mount leses on the FF camera (which do not cover the entire sensor area), your DOF on both cameras will be identical. You do have the choice to use still lenses to compensate, though they are not as functional for cinematic use for a myriad of reasons. The other option would be to use RED's new offering of FF35 lenses, but there's no telling when they will see the light of day.

So, in short, there's no question that "Monstro" should have better image quality performance (based on what RED has told us), but DOF is completely independent of the sensor spec and lies entirely with what focal length and f-stop you choose to use to shoot your picture. In other words, a S35 Mysterium and a S35 Monstro would net you identical DOF.

Best,

Häakon
 
So far, great enlightening replies, thank you all!

Being a lot more of a videographer/indie film maker, my atention is progressively turning a lot more to the S35 than it used to be, to the FF35.

Considering price, market available lens and my shorter interest in still capture... FF35 would probably be considerable overkill.
 
HI,

does anyone know will the FF35 have the option to be cropped to S35, when using cinema pl mount lenses. I see the FF35 great when using nikon, leica, canon lenses, however when using with the cinema lenses it would be great to match the size of the lense with the size of the chip, or is this matching necessary at all, since when using the cinema lense on a full FF35 would mean that the chip is bigger than the lense itself?
 
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