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Scarlet Fixed lens on Scarlet Interchangeable?

Mike 'Fireman' Ross

Mike 'Fireman' Ross

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Folks,

I've waded somewhat and can't find the pertinent discussion, so I'll ask the impertinent question:

See title. $6k vs. $4k. (roundabouts, we guess).

That lens on the Scarlet fixed is quite a nifty lens - worth a bundle in its own right.

Has anything ever been said about whether or not that lens will also be offered in an interchangeable mount? And if so, at what price?

I'm thinking it might be worth the money to the buy the lens and the interchangeable body, to keep my options open, if the price premium over just buying the fixed wasn't too outrageous.

Thoughts?

Thanks

Mike
 
The 8x fixed zoom is actually deeply integrated into the fixed Scarlet brain so RED has said it does not plan on making an interchangeable version. People in the know say the lens alone is worth more than $6,000 so just consider the fixed an amazing electric zoom with a free Scarlet brain attached to the back.

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No, RED has not said anything of the zoom lens being mounted on the CINEMA Scarlet. The electronics of the lens are so woven into the FIXED model that it is not possible unless RED were to start from scratch on building yet another lens.

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EDIT: @Justin, great minds think alike... :)
 
Couldn't have said it any better than Justin.
 
Justin has it exactly right. I believe RED actually has made it clear they will NOT be attempting to make that lens as a standalone, at least in current plans.
 
Nope, not going to happen.
The fixed brain with the lens included would be cheaper than similar optics built into a separate precision servo controlled zoom lens. So so quality ENG servo zooms for B4 mount HD cameras cost more than a Scarlet fixed brain. Current model manual super 16mm film camera lenses start around 3 times the cost of a Scarlet fixed brain.
Buy the fixed brain, then add the interchangeable body and primes later if you feel the need.
I have nearly the cost of a Scarlet brain invested in a selection of older used 16mm lenses, probably none of which are up to the optical quality of the fixed lens or the Red mini-primes and I am looking forward to playing with them. But even a used recent generation 7-81mm Angenieux or 8-64mm Canon manual zoom alone that might be close to the optical quality of the fixed brain is significantly more expensive.
 
What about the other parts of the fixed lens Scarlet - does anyone know if they will be useable with other brains?

e.g: Buy a fixed lens Scarlet, then buy a FF Epic brain down the line. Will the handle, LCD, card reader and redmote supply everything needed to run the Epic? Except for a Canon mount and lens of course.

'100% interchangeable' was the big selling point when these cameras were announced 2 years ago, but I know there have been changes since then.
 
Richard Lonsdale said:
What about the other parts of the fixed lens Scarlet - does anyone know if they will be useable with other brains?

e.g: Buy a fixed lens Scarlet, then buy a FF Epic brain down the line. Will the handle, LCD, card reader and redmote supply everything needed to run the Epic? Except for a Canon mount and lens of course.

'100% interchangeable' was the big selling point when these cameras were announced 2 years ago, but I know there have been changes since then.
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Yes, the fixed brain is just like every other brain except for the lens. The system is completely modular.
 
you guys are getting pretty good at answering questions :)
 
Jarred Land said:
you guys are getting pretty good at answering questions :)
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Give us a little more heads up on module prices and we'd be happy to answer those questions for others too... :ihih:

I'm desperately wanting to know what kind of packages will save me money and if they'll allow me to go EPIC... hehehe
 
Jarred Land said:
you guys are getting pretty good at answering questions :)
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Despite the mantra "Everything subject to change" it seems like much of the change has been in practical engineering details, improved performance potential, and software.
The basic physical feature set outlined in the original announcements of the modular line has remarkably remained much the same. But it is like M-X performance skipped a generation ahead of the original targets.
 
Jarred Land said:
you guys are getting pretty good at answering questions :)
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I'm thinking fixed lens Scarlet followed by Epic brain once the dust has settled and everything is shipping. That sounds like good value for money, as the main selling point for me is the small-size possibilities of the modular system.
 
Joseph Hutson said:
No, RED has not said anything of the zoom lens being mounted on the CINEMA Scarlet. The electronics of the lens are so woven into the FIXED model that it is not possible unless RED were to start from scratch on building yet another lens.

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EDIT: @Justin, great minds think alike... :)
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I hadn't seen that photo. Having seen it I think, whatever else RED does, the above statement is one that's NOT subject to change!

Ah well, was a nice idea. Fixed for me then, assuming the lens is a zinger not a lemon - well, RED don't do lemons. Shame, I hate wide angle converters but I'm going to need to put a GOOD one in the budget...

Thanks!

Mike
 
Richard Lonsdale said:
I'm thinking fixed lens Scarlet followed by Epic brain once the dust has settled and everything is shipping. That sounds like good value for money, as the main selling point for me is the small-size possibilities of the modular system.
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I'm thinking fixed, which will probably be enough for everything I need to do, and to really get comfortable the workflow, and earn enough with it to go for FF35 when that's available.

If RED ONEs get cheap once EPIC is common (say end of the year)... but no, RED ONE will never have HDRx. If HDRx didn't exist I'd go for it, but it does, so that's a deal breaker.

As for answering questions... you guys are good enough RED should put you on the payroll. Or at least give you a retainer...

Mike
 
Justin O'Neill said:
The 8x fixed zoom is actually deeply integrated into the fixed Scarlet brain so RED has said it does not plan on making an interchangeable version. People in the know say the lens alone is worth more than $6,000 so just consider the fixed an amazing electric zoom with a free Scarlet brain attached to the back.

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Scary. Looks like the eye ripped out of a Cyborg.
 
If fixed is wide enough for you, then why not go with it. Black Swan was shot mostly with 16mm, some scenes were shot with 12mm and 20mm.
 
Not sure how long I can get away with the fixed at the wide end; on my most recent volcano shoot I ended up putting the 14-24mm on my (FF35) Nikon D3 in the morning, and didn't take it off all day:

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So I can definitely see a wide angle converter in my future... IF the optical quality is up to scratch.
 
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