Scarlet-D A-camera, 5Dmkiii B-Cameras

[Bill Stengel]

Ahoy!I'm doing a 2-person corporate interview next week and have to use two Canon 5Dmkiii's as the B-cameras (longer lens). I have plenty of experience shooting with the Canons, but I'm curious to know if anyone has insight on how to best set up the Canons so they cut as well as possible with the Scarlet footage.Right now, I'm thinking the following: Neutral picturestyle (sharpness 0, contrast 0, saturation -3, color 0), 5600º K (as a control, graded in post to match the Scarlet footage).I know DSLR's are way down stream for most of you, but there isn't budget on this one to bring two additional REDs, so the Canons will have to suffice as cutaways.Thanks!

 

[Chris McKechnie]

I'd use magic lantern and record RAW...that will get you closer than any internal setting/profile.

Or sell the 2 5D Mark III's and pick up NX1 or A7S.

 

[Justin McAleece]

The most noticeable difference is resolution. There's not much you can do about that unfortunately besides soften up the RED. Keeping the Canons on the long lenses definitely helps. I tend to shoot with the contrast all the way down and then boosting it in post if need be. That's the safer way to shoot that I've found. When I did tests I found the GH4 cut the best with the Epic.

 

[Bill Stengel]

I'd use magic lantern and record RAW...that will get you closer than any internal setting/profile.

Or sell the 2 5D Mark III's and pick up NX1 or A7S.

I hear you, Chris.
I don't have time between now and then to set up ML.
While the A7S is on my list, I won't be getting one until people start dumping them for whatever is next.
Thanks!

 

[Bill Stengel]

The most noticeable difference is resolution. There's not much you can do about that unfortunately besides soften up the RED. Keeping the Canons on the long lenses definitely helps. I tend to shoot with the contrast all the way down and then boosting it in post if need be. That's the safer way to shoot that I've found. When I did tests I found the GH4 cut the best with the Epic.

Thanks Justin.
These will be web-only, so I'm less worried about resolution. It's more the way the image renders, which I know will never match (or even come close to) Dragon. Keeping the subject larger in the frame definitely helps with getting the mkiii's to resemble the Scarlet.

Sounds like I'm somewhat headed in the right direction. I do have both Cinestyle and Flaat_10 loaded into my Canons, but I found them to not work so well in editing.

 

[Terry VerHaar]

The Canon will be infinitely harder to manipulate in post than the RED. So, I would work as hard as possible to get exactly what I want out of the Canon from the beginning. Then, match as well as you can with the Scarlet but don't fret it because you can manipulate the RED in post to match the Canon.

 

[Matthew Riggieri]

Grey Card white balance...... all cameras

 

[Tim Morris]

I agree with Chris...you can rent 2 mark IIIs with magic lantern already installed from lensrentals and request priority shipping. Prior to buying my first RED, I was a canon guy 100% and I used the 35L, 24LII and the 70-200L transitioning through all of canons cameras. The canons will not give you the look of any RED especially if you are viewing the footage on a 4k Monitor. But the Magic lantern hack can do a better job.

 

[Tony Mac]

I've been on a couple shoots where I've had to shoot Epic D with Canon 5DIII, both Magic Lantern Raw and H.264 footage.

If your finish is 1080HD, the ML Raw makes it pretty easy to match, you can't see too much of a sharpness difference, and having that one stop of extra latitude in ML Raw makes it easier on whomever is color grading. It is much tougher to match H.264 footage though. In any wide shots you can just immediately see the lack of detail and latitude. In controlled lighting environments you can lower the contrast ratio and shoot your tight shots with the 5D, you can get away with it doing that.