Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Log in
  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Scarlet Costs: Let's be real

A

Art Chong

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 24, 2010
Messages
132
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Location
Los Angeles, CA
Okay, I know that everyone is all hyped up about Epic and what-not, but what I'm really curious about is how much I can realistically expect a "ready to shoot" Scarlet S35 to cost. Epic is way into rental territory for me, and I'm wondering if it would be feasible for me to own a Scarlet. Looking at the price list from the red.com main page (assuming the price list is at least semi-accurate) I see a lot of options and parts I can buy, which confuses the heck out of me. I'm not looking for a "bare bones" setup, but one that is reasonably complete with the ability to pull focus on Canon lenses without adding a lot of aftermarket crap to it.

I've put together the parts that I THINK I need and a justification for why I think I need them. If someone could chime in as to whether this makes any sense, I'd really appreciate it.

S35 Brain = a "no brainer" :D
5" touch LCD = a reasonably sized screen for focus work
Redmote Pro = for the focus knob
Scarlet Rear Module = I guess this is needed?
Base I/O module = I guess I'll also need ports?
Dual CF reader = This seems like it makes more sense than the side CF module
Battery Module = I suppose I'll want to unplug from the wall at some point
Canon Mount = I want to use Canon Glass
Scarlet Baseplate = To mount the camera on to stuff, like a tripod

Add all those up and the total comes to... $15,600. Does this sound right? Seems high for some reason, but maybe I'm expecting too much?


edit: I already have Anton Bauer batteries, does this mean I don't need the battery module? How necessary is the touch LCD if I already have an external monitor?
 
Last edited:
Art Chong said:
...Add all those up and the total comes to... $15,600. Does this sound right? Seems high for some reason, but maybe I'm expecting too much? ...
Click to expand...

Yes..seems about right. Things add up very..very quickly.
Might be able to save some since red may sell budled production packages.
 
Sounds quite reasonable. I would pick the rear SSD module over the CF though.
I did a similar exercise fitting out a 2/3" cinema model with all the extras to match it pretty much feature for feature with a Sony PMW350 and it came out to around $17k. That included the same B4 lens as on the Sony and the bomb EVF too though.
I hope to keep a Cinema package somewhere around $10k including my used 16mm glass.
 
Art Chong said:
edit: I already have Anton Bauer batteries, does this mean I don't need the battery module? How necessary is the touch LCD if I already have an external monitor?
Click to expand...

You shouldn't need the battery module. There are 3rd party accessories which allow you to use AB batteries on a Red (like the Anton Bauer QR-RED), and since Red One accessories will work on the Scarlets/Epics don't see why the AB adapter plate wouldn't work too.


Yeah things add up rather quickly, but is really inexpensive for what you get
 
I hope that Scarlet fixed will be a camera that is tough to exhaust as far as capability is concerned.. I'm gonna push her, we shall see, time will tell, bye bye.
 
I guess it really isn't all that expensive when you consider that it's supposed to be "better" than the Red One at a lower cost. Ready to shoot camera for $15k minus lenses really is very good for a raw-recording 5k S35 camera with motion HDR (I hope). 2 years ago, an EX3 + Letus wasn't uncommon, and that's about $13k for much, much less capability. Panasonic's new AF-100 might cost around $8000 for the body plus a proper media recorder, but it's "only" a 4/3 and can only output 1080p... just trying to justify this to myself.

Maybe I'm still stuck in pipe-dream land when Scarlet was supposed to cost around $3k!
 
Art Chong said:
I guess it really isn't all that expensive when you consider that it's supposed to be "better" than the Red One at a lower cost. Ready to shoot camera for $15k minus lenses really is very good for a raw-recording 5k S35 camera with motion HDR (I hope). 2 years ago, an EX3 + Letus wasn't uncommon, and that's about $13k for much, much less capability. Panasonic's new AF-100 might cost around $8000 for the body plus a proper media recorder, but it's "only" a 4/3 and can only output 1080p... just trying to justify this to myself.

Maybe I'm still stuck in pipe-dream land when Scarlet was supposed to cost around $3k!
Click to expand...

Well the bare brain will still cost about $3k.:beatdeadhorse5:

The biggest disappointment about the AF100 is that at best using an external recorder it will be an 8 bit 4:2:2 HD camera. Barry Green at DVXuser said he tested the GH1 and it had a maximum DR of about 8.3 stops, the 5DII and 7D have similar DR limits in video mode. Such are the practical limits of an 8 bit 4:2:0 AVCHD codec.
 
David Rasberry said:
Well the bare brain will still cost about $3k.:beatdeadhorse5:

The biggest disappointment about the AF100 is that at best using an external recorder it will be an 8 bit 4:2:2 HD camera. Barry Green at DVXuser said he tested the GH1 and it had a maximum DR of about 8.3 stops, the 5DII and 7D have similar DR limits in video mode. Such are the practical limits of an 8 bit 4:2:0 AVCHD codec.
Click to expand...
Barry reported the AF100 DR was about 10+ using 4:2:0 AVCHD
 
Here's what I'm thinking...

S35 Scarlet - $7000
2.8" LCD - $900
Side CF module - $500
Side handle w/built-in battery - $950
Canon mount - $500
TOTAL = $9850

This is about as bare bones as you can get (assuming you already own Canon lenses.) Throw in some CF cards, a Fader ND filter, and a few REDVOLT batteries, and you've got a camera that beats the pants off anything out there short of an EPIC for around $12000.
 
Jaime Vallés said:
Here's what I'm thinking...

S35 Scarlet - $7000
2.8" LCD - $900
Side CF module - $500
Side handle w/built-in battery - $950
Canon mount - $500
TOTAL = $9850
Click to expand...

That's the road I'm gonna take. Plus two CF cards.

Though what I probably see happening is me getting Scarlet 2/3 fixed and once Scarlet S35 hits keeping all the modules and selling the brain.

That's probably the smartest move for the filmmaker on a budget.

Though I have to say the REDmote Pro seems like a must have tool with the focus ring.
 
RED Scarlet Fixed 8x $ 4.750
Scarlet Module Adapter $ 300
RED SDD 1.8" Module $ 1.500
RES Station Reader 1.8" $ 250
RED SDD Mag 1.8" 128GB $ 1.800
Total of $8.600
And a microfone, an extra batteriy, perhaps the Scarlet Base Plate ($300), the Scarlet Side Handle ($950) and the Scarlet Top Mount ($200) and still counting...
 
I'd love to see a starter kit (including a zoom lense) for the Scarlet 2/3 and the S35 for nonprofessional documentary purposes.

I'm on a budget & I'll need a cam no later than spring 2011 & the :furious3: AG-AF101E is tempting me more & more each day. I know that a S35 is way better but...it doesn't exist yet. S35 on a "run & gun" rig would fit really my needs (but not sure for the required budget). Are they planning to release cheaper testing S35 cams ?
 
Last edited:
2/3" format is much better in general for run and gun doc work if you want a compact shoulder rig and a good fast zoom with some range to it. The fixed 2/3" will be ideal for this role. You could not buy an equivalent servo zoom for the 2/3" interchangeable, S35, or AF100 for less than about $8k-10K used. The S35/AF100 lens alone would weigh more than the entire Scarlet fixed rig.
 
Erwin Vanderhoydonks said:
RED Scarlet Fixed 8x $ 4.750
Scarlet Module Adapter $ 300
RED SDD 1.8" Module $ 1.500
RES Station Reader 1.8" $ 250
RED SDD Mag 1.8" 128GB $ 1.800
Total of $8.600
And a microfone, an extra batteriy, perhaps the Scarlet Base Plate ($300), the Scarlet Side Handle ($950) and the Scarlet Top Mount ($200) and still counting...
Click to expand...

You also need the SSD mag module.
Side module $2500 or rear module $1500.
 
David Rasberry said:
You also need the SSD mag module.
Side module $2500 or rear module $1500.
Click to expand...

It's in the list : RED SDD 1.8" Module $ 1.500
Or is this something else ?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top