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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Scarlet and F3 pointed at the same scene. Footage inside.

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Craig Parkes said:
There is something going wrong with that scarlet footage.
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If true, you've stumbled on perhaps the most important part of the test. Timur is a conscientious, thoughtful, well-educated RED shooter. If even he is having trouble getting good results out of a RED camera, how do you think the rest of the world is doing?

Outside of RedUser, the number of people I've met (mostly producers) who like RED is shockingly low; most avoid it like the plague, and it's always, always, always due to problems in post.

There's no doubt RED cameras are great, and I do agree the post issues are 100% the user's own fault, but at some point, it's okay to say that the F3, or the Alexa, or even the C300 are a better choice for the vast majority of producers because they are so much easier to get through post without mistakes. Powerful but hard to get good results out of is basically the RED M.O. in the circles I run in. :(

I don't have a solution on how to make RED post easier; it's hard because RED exposes all the knobs, and yet that's what makes the camera so flexible! None of us would want to give that up.
 
Timur Civan said:
I'm going to reshoot the test from scratch, and try that work flow that Sanjin Suggested from the Recon thread. See if it makes a difference. I have to reshoot it because i trashed the R3D's by accident. Will re upload the file in the video too, reflecting any new findings.
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Then please-o-please put the camera at the center of the bed, it's driving me crazy :)
 
Timur Civan said:
I will try that workflow, though i dont see why its different than adjusting white balance in RCX with the dropper. Or you could look at the RGB waveforms and make them even.
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Looking forward to results of your new tests but with a proper WB on set adjustment and also a new color post workflow.
 
Niko Pueringer said:
It doesn't matter if you set the WB/tint on set or in RCX. It only matters that it is done correctly.
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While this is true I like to monitor as good as possible while filming. Also if you have the client with you it just feels better to have accurate
Color. Third it safes time setting this in post.
 
Before any test or shooting that involve lights is good to get a bit of education with lighting especially to get more knowledge about possible color shifts.

An excellent source to start with it is

to watch/listen

Symposium Videos

and to read

Solid State Lighting Assessment Technical Information

all from

Solid State Lighting Project

by Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.
 
+1... and crushing a lot blacks will cause a whole loss of information/details putting a lot of noise in the footage, especially if U didn't WB or exp properly.
BTW I definitely think that who's shooting with RED cameras must have specific knowledge about post and the all next steps of their 'creation' in wich the shooting time is only a little part of the whole process, or to have a DIT/DP with that knowledge to help in shooting looking at the postproduction moment.
 
Carmine Scalzi said:
+1... and crushing a lot blacks will cause a whole loss of information/details putting a lot of noise in the footage, especially if U didn't WB or exp properly.
BTW I definitely think that who's shooting with RED cameras must have specific knowledge about post and the all next steps of their 'creation' in wich the shooting time is only a little part of the whole process, or to have a DIT/DP with that knowledge to help in shooting looking at the postproduction moment.
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Lucky for us, Timur's exactly this kind of person! He been doing this a long time, he knows what he's doing.
 
Thanks Timur for doing this.

It takes a brave man to put up a tungsten skin tone test on REDUSER.

Your results are the same as what I'm getting - it's really really difficult to get filmic and natural skin tones (yes you can have both at the same time) on RED yet.

I'm not saying F3 is perfect. And I'd love to see if you can get the two a bit closer matched in terms of color balance - F3 is a little too green, Scarlet is too magenta.

But I feel that I can add some warmth to the F3 shot in the grade at it'll shine nicely. The Scarlet shot feels like there is some lack of color detail in the face. Like there is some kind of channel crosstalk or IR pollution or... I don't know! It just doesn't look right!

Look forward to the new tests! I haven't really played with RedColor3 so maybe it is possible?

Otherwise... yes, hope Dragon is better in this regard. But then for a long time I was the only guy talking about this on REDUSER so I'm not too sure if RED took my mutterings seriously.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Nick Morrison said:
Lucky for us, Timur's exactly this kind of person! He been doing this a long time, he knows what he's doing.
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Of course, Nick, max respect for Timur.
I'm talking about the red workflow in general different from the workflows with other cameras like f3 and the fact I've read somewhere Timur, fantastic DP, no doubt about this, got a preference in the shooting part then the post/CC moment, but this is only speculation and maybe I've misunderstood. In this case I'm sorry.
Btw thanx Timur for the test, very useful especially, 4 me, in the not graded part. The graded one, maybe the Vimeo/Utube compressed footage, isn't perfect at all.
Bst
 
Timur Civan said:
I know lights Sanjin. ;)
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Waiting to see more about that...


Bruce Allen said:
Thanks Timur for doing this.

It takes a brave man to put up a tungsten skin tone test on REDUSER.

Your results are the same as what I'm getting - it's really really difficult to get filmic and natural skin tones (yes you can have both at the same time) on RED yet.

I'm not saying F3 is perfect. And I'd love to see if you can get the two a bit closer matched in terms of color balance - F3 is a little too green, Scarlet is too magenta.

But I feel that I can add some warmth to the F3 shot in the grade at it'll shine nicely. The Scarlet shot feels like there is some lack of color detail in the face. Like there is some kind of channel crosstalk or IR pollution or... I don't know! It just doesn't look right!

Look forward to the new tests! I haven't really played with RedColor3 so maybe it is possible?

Otherwise... yes, hope Dragon is better in this regard. But then for a long time I was the only guy talking about this on REDUSER so I'm not too sure if RED took my mutterings seriously.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
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Bruce,

all digital cameras have color shift in a certain situation especially at tungsten.
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
Waiting to see more about that...

Bruce,

all digital cameras have color shift in a certain situation especially at tungsten.
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But some shift in different ways to others.

BTW, you posted all of those awesome C300 vs Scarlet comparisons... but I never saw any skin tone tests. It was all landscapes? Did I miss any skin tone stuff?

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Bruce Allen said:
But some shift in different ways to others.

BTW, you posted all of those awesome C300 vs Scarlet comparisons... but I never saw any skin tone tests. It was all landscapes? Did I miss any skin tone stuff?

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
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Skin tones tests are coming at the end and also I have to find a model.

If somebody could volunteer I would appreciate...
 
I do, but you have to pay for travel :auto:.
 
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