Scarlet #00006 - Tests (including R3Ds)

[Brandon J.F.]

Shot #5

Resolution: 4k
REDcode: 8:1
Shutter: 180
Frame rate: 23.976

22MM LOMO Spherical Lens (Vintage lens from the Soviet Union)

R3D Download: http://www.filesonic.com/file/4209881574/A002_C011_0211XD.0000138F.R3D

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More on the way.

 

[Rosario Balistreri]

I <3 R3Ds

Graded in Resolve

 

[Brandon J.F.]

I <3 R3Ds

Graded in Resolve

That's awesome! Thanks for sharing it.

 

[Matthew Scott]

First of all, thanks for sharing these with us! It's awesome for us who are awaiting their Scarlets As for the red circles, like others have said, this is not a 'problem' with the sensor at all. It happens on any (digital) camera. I've seen the exact same thing with my 5DII. It's totally normal and nothing to worry about. To avoid it, just don't shoot directly into the sun (or a laser).
Finally, I hate to sound negative, but does anyone else think that these images are incredibly soft? Is it just the vintage lenses? Take the first wide shot or even the cat for example. At 100% full quality, it's soft as hell!

 

[Rosario Balistreri]

That's awesome! Thanks for sharing it.

Thanks to you for providing the footage!

Finally, I hate to sound negative, but does anyone else think that these images are incredibly soft? Is it just the vintage lenses? Take the first wide shot or even the cat for example. At 100% full quality, it's soft as hell!

Yes, they look softer also to me...

 

[Nuno Ribeiro]

It could be that focus is set nearer than anything visible in the scene. But looking at the other r3d's it looks like the Lomo Vintage Lens used might be soft.

 

[Brandon J.F.]

It could be that focus is set nearer than anything visible in the scene. But looking at the other r3d's it looks like the Lomo Vintage Lens used might be soft.

Yeah, these lenses are definitely softer than modern lenses. I still may have blown the focus on a couple of these. These lenses are kind of whacky. I'm still getting the hang of them. One other problem I've had with day exteriors is I can't stop the lens down enough to prevent overexposure. They only go to f16. I'm going to need to get a mattebox and some ND.

I'm about to post another test. This time 5k and not overexposed.

Bear with me guys. I'm just starting to learn this camera and especially these lenses...

 

[Brandon J.F.]

Shot #6

Resolution: 5k
REDcode: 8:1
Shutter: 90
Frame rate: 12

50MM LOMO Spherical Lens (Vintage lens from the Soviet Union)

R3D Download: http://www.filesonic.com/file/4223695364/A003_C014_0212VU.0000000F.R3D

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More on the way.

 

[Nick Gardner]

The lomo okc 3-22-1 is reallyt a great lens. Very snappy. If you have an earlier version (lower number in front the 3 is 3rd generation, 22 is focal length-1 is design version of that generation) it would be softer. looks nice ;-)

Nick

 

[Brandon J.F.]

The lomo okc 3-22-1 is reallyt a great lens. Very snappy. If you have an earlier version (lower number in front the 3 is 3rd generation, 22 is focal length-1 is design version of that generation) it would be softer. looks nice ;-)

Nick

Good to know. I have an OKC3-22-1. I also have an OKC12-35-1M and OKC1-50-6. What cameras have you used LOMO lenses with?

 

[Nick Gardner]

I have a full set of lomo standard speeds from 1990-91 and set of ekran speeds 28, 35,50, 75, and a set of square front anamorphics from the late 70's early eighties. I've used them extensively on the MX red one. Some where over in the lens test section there are stills from the lomos allong next to a k-35 and a zoom.

Nick

 

[Brandon J.F.]

I found your thread with the tests. Thanks for sharing this.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?66968-some-lens-comparisons-for-fun-and-science

 

[Brandon J.F.]

A little taste of a few things I've been working on with my Scarlet...

 

[Brant Hadfield]

There's a good reason GWDT was shot with anamorphic instead of spherical 2.35:1 (apparently that is incorrect! shot spherical and cropeed, but) - and almost always wide open in that film. Mated with the Epic/(Scarlet here), it produces images much more like film, period. Tames the brutally digital sharp images into something far more pleasing to my eye.

Now sensor flare. Isn't it a particular problem with RED vs other video cameras? Here's a still frame from my AF100 with Voigtlander 25, right at the sun.

Here's a link to the clip from the project. (Don't get excited about the music, it's a place holder. I need music to edit to).

http://youtu.be/1uLqwFnPNL4

 

[Brandon J.F.]

There's a good reason GWDT was shot with anamorphic instead of spherical 2.40:1 - and almost always wide open in that film. Mated with the Epic/(Scarlet here), it produces images much more like film, period. Tames the brutally digital sharp images into something far more pleasing to my eye.

I'm pretty sure that GWTDT was shot with Master Primes which are not anamorphic.

 

[Matt Ryan]

There's a good reason GWDT was shot with anamorphic instead of spherical 2.40:1 - and almost always wide open in that film. Mated with the Epic/(Scarlet here), it produces images much more like film, period. Tames the brutally digital sharp images into something far more pleasing to my eye.

Now sensor flare. Isn't it a particular problem with RED vs other video cameras? Here's a still frame from my AF100 with Voigtlander 25, right at the sun.

Here's a link to the clip from the project. (Don't get excited about the music, it's a place holder. I need music to edit to).

http://youtu.be/1uLqwFnPNL4

GWTDT was shot spherical on master primes with a post 2:35 crop. Anamorphic flares were added in post.

 

[Les Hillis]

Thanks for the images Brandon, is interesting to see some of the more obscure lenses being tried out. It looks to me like you're getting some good results. Are the images from a production, or are they purely test shots?

 

[Brandon J.F.]

Thanks for the images Brandon, is interesting to see some of the more obscure lenses being tried out. It looks to me like you're getting some good results. Are the images from a production, or are they purely test shots?

The first shot is from a music video I am doing (Russian rapper). We still have a couple more days of shooting to do. 22mm LOMO ~T2.2. This was lit with a Cool Lights LED 600 and a smaller cheap LED.

The second shot is just a quick test with natural light. I forget which lens it was.

The third is a test for a feature I am starting soon. Only a very small battery powered LED light was used off to the left side. The rest is just what we could get from the street lights. This was the 35mm LOMO wide open (T1.7).

No more than a couple minutes were spent grading all 3 shots before I put these pics online.

 

[Brant Hadfield]

GWTDT was shot spherical on master primes with a post 2:35 crop. Anamorphic flares were added in post.

If so then I may have misinterpreted what I'd read about their use of lenses and reasons . I'd also read Fincher shot wide open almost all the time " to keep it shallow to echo a film-style look." I believe that is correct. But why would a sensor size equal to S35 motivate a very shallow DOF to emulate a "film-style look"? Many cinematographers who shoot film (or video) avoid such wide open apertures because it puts the lens in a compromised state. I've read Deakins talk about this often. My take from what I've read and heard is that it mitigates the inherent video crispiness of the Red sensor.

 

[Les Hillis]

Thanks for the extra info. Hopefully you'll be able to share some more finished results sometime.