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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

SATA out on REDDRIVE

Guys -

factors to consider:

FireWire 800 will be the fastest bus (unless a custom eSATA adaptor is made - anybody wanna jump on that, since that's the fastest possible bus?)

IF I recall correctly, FireWire 800 is good for about 50 MB/sec writes, 80 MB/sec reads on a G5, I'm presuming that a Mac Pro will be about the same (don't have my Octo Mac, but likely to order this week).

So 80 MB/sec is your max theoretical read speed from FW800.

The catch is, can you feed it that fast? We're coming from a couple of 160GB 2.5" drives - I'm thinking from past research these were good for about 20-40 MB/sec on the slower ones that had drop/crash protection, and about 30-50 MB/sec on the faster ones. I don't know what has changed since I originally did that research for myself, nor if they are still using the drives available when they started picking gear.

Note there's a range involved- 20-40 or 30-50 - that is because drives get slower as they fill up and write to the slower inner tracks. The falloff isn't linear - it holds pretty well and then drops towards the end.

This gets into a calculus, area-under-the-curve kind of a thing to calculate accurate average transfer rates. Barring that, let's go with the average presuming it is the slower of the drives - so 30 MB/sec, per drive. There's usually about a 10% hit for a RAID config under OS X, I dunno if that applies in general, but it seems plausible. So 27 MB/sec*2=54 MB/sec average....so FW800 will be limiting transfer rates for maybe half of the transfer. So 50 MB/sec*3.6=180 GB/hr. 320/180=1.778, which is getting pretty close to the hour fifty somebody else guessed. But 320 GB RAW capacity equals 296 GB formatted (presuming they use all the space - they may partition to get the "fast enough" part they need. )But then it'll slow down below that rate at some point, and the FW800 won't be the bottleneck, the speed with which data can come off the Red Drive will. So....based on LOTS of conjecture here...circa two hours? FW400 will definitely be slower, good for only about 35 MB/sec, that'd take about 3 hours 20 min to copy over 296 GB. And that presumes you're copying to another bus with no latencies - these times are just the "read the data off with no interruptions" numbers.

In short, we're ALL guessing, not knowing the actual drives used, the actual formatted capacity, latencies involved if writing to the same bus, the machine used, the hardware involved, etc.
 
Catch the right bus

Catch the right bus

With a Mac lapper I was planning to use FW800 to get the data off the RedDrive and then use an Express/34 to eSATA card to attach the mini-RAID I am copying onto. This avoids having the upstream and downstream transfer on the same bus.

The FW800 should not limit the read speed off of the RedDrives so it seems like a good match. I won't need a special connector. The eSATA tap to the external mini-RAID may be overkill for the writing of the original data but should speed up any operations I undertake with the media after the copying.
 
I second my fellow diegan, although i'm bummed my laptop is the older gen macpro without fw800. For in studio hvx200 shoots, I use the lacie drive for logandcapturing. When I am done, I back it up to my external sata drives. I still think it is so amazing that we will be able to edit redcode raw straight off of the red drives.
 
Any external hardware RAID0 configured drive like the 500GB LaCie can take a higher throughput than FW800 delivers, I am using them for this reason,and the REDRIVE is a RAID0.

Anyway if the cable adapter option is possile that'll be fine.

RAID 0 doesn't necessarily mean it's that fast. And comparing with larger external RAID systems based on much faster 3.5" hard drives is not really a proper comparison for a RED drive. Several factors affect the speed of a hard disc such as rotational speed, data density, number of heads, head performance, buffers, platter size, etc.. You'll be limited by the speed of the drives in the array. Currently, the fastest 2.5" hard drives on the market can only sustain about 18MB or so across all data surfaces. So, assuming a 2x increase in speed by using two of them (which isn't going to happen), you're still looking at under 40MB/s from a RED DRIVE or somewhere about there. Not a strain on a FW800 connection.

A LEMO to SATA adapter or cable doesn't seem to me like a difficult thing to make and I'm sure someone will do it before I get my hands on my own RED kit.
 
e-SATA

e-SATA

I don't agree with some of the numbers quoted, but do agree that FW800 is the most convenient interconnect to your computer system.

At this time, there is little to be gained by using an e-SATA connection, but that may change in future as media gets faster.
 
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