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SAMSARA in 4K -- now it's official

Sanjin Jukic said:
Buzz about 4K >>>>

Next NAB and IBC is all about 4K (digital cameras, plasma and theater) and Mobile Tablet (1080p) movie image acquisition and distribution.
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I am sure Red product line will be a hit at NAB 2012 ....Red Revolution
 
Keegan O'Brien said:
Well, what Chuck is saying is that the option is in fact out there, and clearly an 8K image is going to look better than a 4K image.
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If we scan 16mm film at 10K, will it look better than a 4K scan? No.

There is a point of diminishing returns.

Are you sure that an 11k scan is going to produce a better image than an 8K scan for 5-perf 65? Any evidence for that?

I assume that Mark and Ron did their homework.
 
Tom Lowe said:
If we scan 16mm film at 10K, will it look better than a 4K scan? No.
Are you sure that an 11k scan is going to produce a better image than an 8K scan for 5-perf 65? Any evidence for that?
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Well, considering that some DP's think that to truely get everything of Anamorphic 35mm you need a 6K scan.... It's a fact as well as basic logic that 65mm captures more information than 35mm, yet some still think that to maximize even Anamorphic that you need a scan higher than that of 4K... so, obviously to get everything out of 65mm you'd need a scan higher than 4K as well. Your 16mm comparision is silly... scanning 65mm at 10K will obviously look better than 16mm at... anything. The information in 65mm is there for +4K scans...

What I was saying was that the filmmakers may not have saw the higher resolution scan necessary since nobody will ever see the film in a resolution higher than 4K in the foreseeable future.
 
There are a lot of good reasons to scan at a higher resolution than the source material and the finished format -- oversampling reduces the chances of aliasing for example. 6K scanning for 35mm is becoming more common these days for archival / restoration work, not because 35mm holds 6K worth of information, but it helps to sample at a higher rate than the source material.

The problem is that people use scanning resolution and measurable resolution figures somewhat interchangeably, when the first should (ideally) be higher than the second.

In terms of measurable resolution, if many people find 35mm to be around 3.5K or a bit lower, then 5-perf 65mm should measure roughly twice that, i.e. 6K-ish. So scanning at 8K makes sense, and projecting that at 4K should be comparable to a 70mm print off of the original negative.
 
Keegan O'Brien said:
Well, considering that some DP's think that to truely get everything of Anamorphic 35mm you need a 6K scan.... It's a fact as well as basic logic that 65mm captures more information than 35mm, yet some still think that to maximize even Anamorphic that you need a scan higher than that of 4K... so, obviously to get everything out of 65mm you'd need a scan higher than 4K as well.
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Reasonable people can disagree on whether 65mm 5-perf should be scanned at 8K or 11K. I say 8K is plenty. That is my opinion. I think many people tend to overestimate the actual resolution of all types of film. Again, my opinion. Studies have shown that 35mm film projected at an average multiplex is less than 1080p resolution.

I also believe that Ron and Mark paid close attention to these matters and made the right decision to scan at 8K and finish at 4K. My impression is that Ron and Mark are not going to waste four years of blood, sweat, tears and toil by scanning at a resolution less than the negative deserved.
 
Just got back from seeing Samsara. A very interesting experience for sure!

Graeme
 
Fantastic news
Ron Fricke is a genie
Baraka rates as my all time favorite social documentary and visual magic

cant wait
if they had waited a year they could have shot it on EPIC

the new standard


keep making magic Ron

w
 
oops 4 years hey wow
another epic in the making

warrick mcleod said:
Fantastic news
Ron Fricke is a genie
Baraka rates as my all time favorite social documentary and visual magic

cant wait
if they had waited a year they could have shot it on EPIC

the new standard


keep making magic Ron

w
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Deanan said:
Yeah, amazing footage in there.
The locations list is insane.
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An interesting mix from the beautiful to the surreal to the scary, with thought-provoking thrown in for good measure! Half the fun was trying to figure out "where are we now?". The music was exceptional and worked hand-in-hand with the imagery.

Graeme
 
For me Ron Fricke is one of the best American directors and also cinematographers.

He can easily beat any big dog DP today in the whole world.

Just because he get it and he knows it using mostly a self-learning method.

He is an excellent example of a future movie maker.

He is not Hollywood driven either 3D zucker* trick fun movie maker or all in that way...

* Zucker is a German word meaning "sugar".
 
Just returned to Beijing (my home) from TIFF where I attended the world premiere of Samsara. I produced all the China shoots. I was BLOWN away by the 4K projection. Never seen a better image on the silver screen in my life. I want to live in a 4K world from now on! Samsara is a magnificent film. Make sure you see it in 4K if you can.

Noah
 
David Battistella said:
This is cool, but just last year at the bell lightbox theater, TIFFs new home they projected original prints of 2001 A Space odessey in 70mm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGPwlEq005w

David

I guess they are showing it away from the main space, which is sad because they actually are equipped to screen a print. My guess is that 4K DCP might be a bit more cost effective.

David
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Not sad at all. The 4K projection of SAMSARA was a highlight of the festival and looked better than it would have 70mm according to Ron and Mark. I've seen Baraka in 70mm and would have to agree. I sat in the third row front and center and it was jaw-dropping.
 
warrick mcleod said:
if they had waited a year they could have shot it on EPIC

the new standard
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They started shooting Samsara 5 years ago, so no. Also, both Ron and Mark don't seem to find the current Epic up to their standard. "Maybe next year...", referring presumably to Red Dragon.
 
The colour of those screens makes Baraka look bland and muted by comparison. Can't say I was a huge fan of Baraka (only because I thought it could have been half as long and been just as effective... there was rarely much motion), but I completely appreciate the visuals. I'm actually happy that they went out and made a pseudo-sequel; it shows there's still tons more awesomeness around the world to look at.
 
Peter Chang said:
The 4K projection of SAMSARA was a highlight of the festival and looked better than it would have 70mm according to Ron and Mark. I've seen Baraka in 70mm and would have to agree. I sat in the third row front and center and it was jaw-dropping.
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I was at the screening yesterday at the Santa Barbara Film Festival. I was disappointed to hear initially about the lack of 70mm screenings as well, but the 4K was stunning. We are talking about one of the greatest imaging technicians of our time, and it had all the grandeur of Baraka.

I can't recommend it enough and I cannot wait to see it again.
 
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