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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Rumor started in LA

zakaree said:
my point was there are some young talent who are better than the old vets... they have just never had a chance to show themselves.. and with the advent of some inexpensive gear they have a chance to finally make something of value
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Ahhh yes....talent, good equipment....you gotta have that.....
experience gained from many years of dealing with people is
what many of the younger shooters lack.
That's why us old farts still get hired....
 
digitalfx, did you ask him where he heard the rumor from?
 
My scientology buddies told me that Jim's thetons are really low and he's probably an alien. The only way they could make this camera in a year is with extraterrestrial technology.
 
zakaree said:
my point was there are some young talent who are better than the old vets... they have just never had a chance to show themselves.. and with the advent of some inexpensive gear they have a chance to finally make something of value
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Whether or whether not, confirmed or denied, some power will definitely change hands indeed.

EDIT -- Lordnumberzero, deal closed.
 
zakaree said:
my point was there are some young talent who are better than the old vets... they have just never had a chance to show themselves.. and with the advent of some inexpensive gear they have a chance to finally make something of value
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Hi,

Whats wrong with DV, HDV cameras etc?
If they could light it would be obvious and they would get noticed.

FWIW since we have cheap DSLR's I have not noticed a trend of better photography.

Stephen
 
I do mostly editing. Many professional editors became a bit worried with hundreds of kids w/ final cut pro willing to work cheaper, but it didn't hurt them much at all. What it ammounts to is if you are paying alot of money for good work to be done, you hire an experienced person. A talented newbie with final cut or Red will never replace a talented AND experienced person in the professional world until he works long enough to be trusted with big bucks.

But that said, those talented newbies can produce some really good independent stuff now if they want to.
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi,

Whats wrong with DV, HDV cameras etc?
If they could light it would be obvious and they would get noticed.

FWIW since we have cheap DSLR's I have not noticed a trend of better photography.

Stephen
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But you've seen some young people shooting and shooting, working and living from there. Same people wouldn't get afford the same outcome before, from a 35 mm basis.

What do we want? Better tools. Higher resolution, latitude, 35 mm DOF... With the video flexibility.

Don't compare apples with oranges. Photography and Moviemaking ain't the same thing. Besides, you'll lose all those fancies we're looking for now: higher performance from bigger sized sensors and suitable optics to get those results above mentioned.
 
Doc Holliday said:
I do mostly editing. Many professional editors became a bit worried with hundreds of kids w/ final cut pro willing to work cheaper, but it didn't hurt them much at all. What it ammounts to is if you are paying alot of money for good work to be done, you hire an experienced person. A talented newbie with final cut or Red will never replace a talented AND experienced person in the professional world until he works long enough to be trusted with big bucks.

But that said, those talented newbies can produce some really good independent stuff now if they want to.
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I agree with both parts of your perspective. But..

EDIT -- But..I can tell you: there are severe damages where I've been working. A lot of editors are losing their own job. I'm speaking for self experience.
 
Gordon Prince said:
But you've seen some young people shooting and shooting, working and living from there. Same people wouldn't get afford the same outcome before, from a 35 mm basis.

What do we want? Better tools. Higher resolution, latitude, 35 mm DOF... With the video flexibility.

Don't compare apples with oranges. Photography and Moviemaking ain't the same thing. Besides, you'll lose all those fancies we're looking for now: higher performance from bigger sized sensors and suitable optics to get those results above mentioned.
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Hi,

Many 35mm films have been made with deep DOF, sorry I don't get the theory that the tools make the results.

Stephen
 
Kill the thread!!!

Kill the thread!!!

Kill this thread please. Jim himself has posted a reply... only a rumor, not true. Pls kill it.
 
Our work is a craft, always has been, always will be. Just because you own the tools does not mean you should be an editor or Director of Photography, etc.
The craft is always first, tools are secondary...yes the tools can make our jobs much easier, but if you dont have the talent to shoot or edit you will never survive longterm.

If an editor is losing his job, its not because some young buck took it, it is more likely he does not have the talent to succeed in this industry.

I can tell you that I have two editor positions available, and if someone with the right talent walked in my door today they would have a great job offered them. The fact is there are more jobs than talent in the current market.
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi,

Many 35mm films have been made with deep DOF, sorry I don't get the theory that the tools make the results.

Stephen
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don't be perverted stephen.. there's no deep DOF against shallow DOF deal.. maybe just interlaced against progressive look feel.. lower res pictures against big screen chances.. that's your fear.. the word big..

big everything.. pictures.. chances.. careerssssssssssssssssssssss.. power.. gross..

because where's big there is the smaller too.. there's your fear.. to be smaller.. eheheh..
 
filmmaker's gang said:
don't be perverted stephen.. there's no deep DOF against shallow DOF deal.. maybe just interlaced against progressive look feel.. lower res pictures against big screen chances.. that's your fear.. the word big..

big everything.. pictures.. chances.. careerssssssssssssssssssssss.. power.. gross..

because where's big is the smaller too.. there's your fear.. to be smaller.. eheheh..
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Hi,

I think you overcomplicate what makes great cinematography, I think it can be summed up in 1 word, 'Lighting'

Stephen
 
Mardi_Gras said:
Kill this thread please. Jim himself has posted a reply... only a rumor, not true. Pls kill it.
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I started this thread knowing full well it was a bogus rumor...I simply wanted to let everyone what I HEARD.
It was never meant to ask..."is this true?"
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi,

I think you overcomplicate what makes great cinematography, I think it can be summed up in 1 word, 'Lighting'

Stephen
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you amuses me.. filmmaking in just one word??.. ok lighting and is that all?

:confused:
eheheheh..​
eheheheh..​
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi,

Many 35mm films have been made with deep DOF, sorry I don't get the theory that the tools make the results.

Stephen
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I'm afraid you 35 mm guys are forgetting we are also 35 mm people... Just not working in your field yet.

But maybe with a sort of solid background behind your own. Where any try to discuss this kind of common sense sounds an useless time loss.
 
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