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RED's own version of the GoPro/question to Jim.

I borrow one GoPro the other day.

I wish it was in RedCode.

I was thinking about a crash/POV cam that would match my RED footage.

That would be perfect. (GoPro/Contour - Cam)

I would pay 1-2 thousand for it if it mean matching footage.

Please Jim?

It doesn't have to be as small for the first generation.

Thanks

Michael T.
 
Alexander Ibrahim said:
Actually, almost more than a GoPro type camera I'd like to see a "lipstick" camera.

Just a little tube with a small lens and some i/o ports so I can add modules as needed. Use an external recorder/processor.

Basically Iconix the RED way.

Make it waterproof to 10m/30ft and I'd be thrilled to tears.
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Yes please Jim..A RED lipstick camera would be great.
 
If they were ever to do this I would be on the side for a lipstick camera more similar to the contour HD and not the go pro in size and style not capability, you look kind of goofy with a go pro strapped to your head when you are riding down a large mountain, now the contour is still bad but nowhere near as un-stylish as the go pro.

though I would suspect style does not matter to most it does in the extreme sports community (at least I think so...the others just wont admit it).
 
Here's a REAL crappy turnaround I made on the plane back to the UK when I realised my battery was running out. Just basic geometric shapes and materials bolted on together in 5 minutes:

http://vimeo.com/18669321
password: reduser

CF module on the back, battery on the side, wifi antenna/module ontop.

I've used lipstick cameras quite a few times before but they were all tethered to a recorder/tape deck before so the GoPro was quite a breath of fresh air when it came to portability. I prefer the squat shape to the lipstick form factor.
 
2 parts, cable connected:

a) Cylinder housing for brain with mount for mini primes
b) Square housing for battery, CF slot and connectors

Simpler tooling and weather protection. More shared parts with Scarlet.
Simpler features, less processing needs, less power draw and cooling requirements.
 
Thanks Graham :) I was also thinking of RED RUNNER but that would be too large for the side of the camera...

Hrvoje's idea is really good as well like a lot of other POV/lipstick cameras. I like the idea of shared modules and lenses with the scarlet but I'm looking for the tiniest, well priced "fire and forget" solution.
 
Eren Ozkural said:
I like the idea of shared modules and lenses with the scarlet but I'm looking for the tiniest, well priced "fire and forget" solution.
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Same here,i`ve got a potential use of quite high numbers of such a camera that somehow i have to fulfill.I`d like it to be a RED solution.i`m by no means an expert but what`s out there most certainly doesn`t seem fit the bill at all..for example Iconix looked interesting re quality etc but it`s quite a price and needs external bulky electronics (i think)..A 2/3rd`s based solution stripped to basics and small would be fab.
To be honest i hope Jim`s not rolling his eye`s at the gist of this thread,i`m more than certain he`s full steam ahead and super occupied with Epic right now,however i also hope he will give it some thought when possible..so far the posts indicate there`s a real interest.Got my fingers gently crossed..
 
Cool concept, Eren. I hope Red doesn't overlook this sector of the market. There are CAR-15's, Nascar chassis, The insides of Hummers and MRAPS, and a lot more places just waiting for a RedCode powered, 3K+ sensor.
 
I suggest hopping over to other sites and checking the sizes for high quality 2/3" cameras with internal recording and power.
Then the ones shooting raw.

A-cam is stripped to basics and still roughly the same volume as Scarlet if not larger, only in a different arrangement. Iconix is 1/3" and just a head, plus its picture is far from high quality, so it's not really comparable.

If Red can go even smaller cool...but Scarlet was already imagined to be a pocket cam...I'd say that current Scarlet form factor already IS the smallest it can get with today's available and financially feasible technology, and a pretty large breakthrough which people seem to take as something usual. Reason I suggested this particular combination is because it would use majority of Scarlet parts and could be made in near future.
 
Hrvoje Simic said:
I suggest hopping over to other sites and checking the sizes for high quality 2/3" cameras with internal recording and power.
Then the ones shooting raw.

A-cam is stripped to basics and still roughly the same volume as Scarlet if not larger, only in a different arrangement. Iconix is 1/3" and just a head, plus its picture is far from high quality, so it's not really comparable.
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I know what you're saying Hrvoje, however i still think a go pro-ish concept is still feasible bearing the following in mind:

-No onboard debayering whatsoever. That means no powerful heat generating asics to convert the sensor data to scaled RGB in real time. I t also means no lemo port(s).

-Limited data rate: Keep it small, simple and cool (as in temperature)

-The time frame that this camera would be tackled in (after monstro-5/6 years?). Moore's law. Size/costs go down, horsepower goes up in 18 month cycles. You develop two iterations of the same concept at the same time, a starter model and a more refined, powerful follow up. This is what Intel refers to as "Tick-Tock" (I remember talking to some pretty knowledgable guys during a shoot in the Intel fab in Israel about Nehalem and Sandy Bridge back in 2007)

MX (Tick) Monstro (Tock)*. After 28K cameras are achieved I think that the next step will be in refining/miniturising their tech for a new wave of post DSMC cameras (either as a second separate line of DSMC cameras and/or a group of niche cameras like the GoPro and the Phantom)

Hmm...this is making me want to work on a more polished render now :)


*I think the original Mysterium sensor was very much an experimental piece of technology. Jim took a hail mary pass on it, got some real smart/dedicated folks together and they made the platform work though sheer force of will power: hence Jim talking about how they're dangerous now that they know what they're doing.
 
Count me in! Action adventure TV is what is selling right now, the smaller the B cam the better!
 
Red lipstick cam? I'll take a half-dozen now to start. Hero is OK, but gimme that file in r3d and we be way happier...

Mike
 
Can you imagine a micro 3 D rig that could come out of this and the possibilities?
 
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