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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

RedRocket integration by Maquise Technologies : MIST

@Craig: yes your configuration will work fine. However for 4K, it's not just the RED Rocket that counts but also the graphics card (e.g. Nvidia). A low-cost graphics card will not have good transfer rates for this, so consider buying a 4800 if you want problem-less display and grading of 4K files at 1:1 scale.

BUT!!! It's not necessary if you think about it.. Your screen will not be able to display 4K anyway. So what you can do is use the downscaling option in MIST and display at 2K which is something that most graphics cards can do without a problem nowadays.

There is a Dynamic Resolution option in MIST that will switch dynamically to 2K during playback/grading and back to 4K when you stop. In other words, you don't need to empty your pockets when you do not necessarily need to....

Dan
 
@Lucas: hi! please elaborate your question so I can reply properly.

@Gabriele: some people use it to relieve Scratch from basic tasks and video I/O, it's not "connected" directly to Scratch. It's a question of having a small tool and save the Scratch station for more demanding jobs (secondary color correction, etc)
 
Hi,
i do have scratch (so i knew that i snot integrated) , but i guess i was asking what task might replace and why...(just trying to understand if i need it...)

PS:Price range?
Thanks

g
 
Lucas Wilson said:
Hi Dan,

With that configuration, how would you output SDI?

Lucas
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It will be interesting to see which developer (Scratch; MIST; Iridas) comes out with the first MAC friendly solution. Iridas has some great tools that work with MAC, but the SDI OUT is still an issue due to Nvidia + MAC not having a solution. At this point, MIST seems closer and more willing to please MAC users than Scratch. I read that MIST is considering supporting AJA & BlackMagic cards. If you could debayer all RED footage with the Rocket and then have deck control and have SDI out with a Kona or Decklink... that would be awesome.
 
@craig: just to make things clear: we do not support the SDI out of the Nvidia on Mac OSX. Only under Windows. Our software only runs on Windows (and Linux soon, Mac will come later).

As it has been said here a great number of times by Lucas Wilson, that's an issue related to Apple's refusal to have that thing certified. However, Nvidia officials like to say that it will happen very soon.

We also do not target Mac users against PC users. The reality is that Red has dragged a lot of Mac guys in this field. I know only few DoPs that do not own a Mac and of course the efforts made by Red to have Apple as a platform of choice for Red is also a good reason.

The Red community is very active here on this very forum. But we also support other formats. We don't make just a Red-dedicated tool...

Dan
 
dtatut said:
@Lucas: hi! please elaborate your question so I can reply properly.
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Hi Dan,

You had said that Craig's MacPro Tower configuration would work with a RED grading and dailies configuration. For Grading and Dailies work, SDI is essential as a stable color reference. Putting an Nvidia SDI card in a Tower means that you can't boot successfully into OSX.

So I was wondering how you were getting SDI out of that particular configuration.

I know MIST is not on OSX, so obviously getting SDI out of Windows is not an issue. This was a question just targeted at that specific configuration.

Lucas
 
Lucas Wilson said:
Hi Dan,

With that configuration, how would you output SDI?

Lucas
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dtatut said:
@craig: just to make things clear: we do not support the SDI out of the Nvidia on Mac OSX. Only under Windows. Our software only runs on Windows (and Linux soon, Mac will come later).

As it has been said here a great number of times by Lucas Wilson, that's an issue related to Apple's refusal to have that thing certified. However, Nvidia officials like to say that it will happen very soon.

We also do not target Mac users against PC users. The reality is that Red has dragged a lot of Mac guys in this field. I know only few DoPs that do not own a Mac and of course the efforts made by Red to have Apple as a platform of choice for Red is also a good reason.

The Red community is very active here on this very forum. But we also support other formats. We don't make just a Red-dedicated tool...

Dan
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Understood.
I didn't mean to sound like MIST is a MAC software. I am well aware of that. However, the fact that you are considering supporting MAC is a big positive!
If Nvidia comes out with a MAC compatible SDI card that would be a big help.



Craig
 
craigjkharris said:
Understood.
I didn't mean to sound like MIST is a MAC software. I am well aware of that. However, the fact that you are considering supporting MAC is a big positive!
If Nvidia comes out with a MAC compatible SDI card that would be a big help.
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"Considering" is very different than committing. Every software company considers all possibilities, particularly if those possibilities are well entrenched in a particular market segment. Anyone wanting to participate in the high end world "considers" Linux. Anyone wanting to participate in the "do it yourself" world "considers" Apple. Anyone wanting to participate in the general consumer market and/or the business world "considers" Windows. And that consideration comes regardless of what platform the program originates on. There is also the movement to platform agnostic support, exemplified by Google. Of course, anything that is even remotely hardware dependent is going to find that route very challenging. But in general, any statement of platform "consideration" is more of a courtesy than a strategic roadmap, especially when the platform being considered doesn't currently have support for required hardware.
 
No the mac doesn't, but Autodesk worked round it and I bet they weren't even considering year back.

I think to be fair the fxguide ep on smokeonamac actually pointed out that it's not just the nvidia sdi card on mac thats an issue.

s
 
Den,
i do have scratch (so i knew that i snot integrated) , but i guess i was asking what task might replace and why...(just trying to understand if i need it...)

PS:Price range?
Thanks

g
 
M Most said:
"Considering" is very different than committing. Every software company considers all possibilities, particularly if those possibilities are well entrenched in a particular market segment. Anyone wanting to participate in the high end world "considers" Linux. Anyone wanting to participate in the "do it yourself" world "considers" Apple. Anyone wanting to participate in the general consumer market and/or the business world "considers" Windows. And that consideration comes regardless of what platform the program originates on. There is also the movement to platform agnostic support, exemplified by Google. Of course, anything that is even remotely hardware dependent is going to find that route very challenging. But in general, any statement of platform "consideration" is more of a courtesy than a strategic roadmap, especially when the platform being considered doesn't currently have support for required hardware.
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We consider OSX seriously but we are a small company and we made the decision to go with Windows first because of various reasons. Among these reasons are the overall price of a decent system, the budget of the typical user, etc. Linux was second because of other market segments that we address and that are not related to Red. Mac last because of the hardware limitations that exist for the moment. We strongly believe that Apple will open the gates to manufacturers like Nvidia (it finally happened for the Quadro 4800). Until then we have to put other platform on the top of the list. I'm quite sure that Assimilate will also jump on the opportunity when it pops up. But it would be better to ask Lucas about this ;)

@Gabriele: sorry that I missed your post. So... would you need such a tool? well it depends a lot on your workflow, jobs etc. You can contact me directly at: dtatut@marquise-tech.com if you want to discuss that privately. Price-wise MIST goes from Euro 500.- to Euro 8'000, depending on the version and options.

Dan
 
Hi Vincent,

yes indeed, we have been invited on the set to test-drive MIST in parallel of the shooting. The camera crew and the DITs organised the workflow in advance and we joined as a last minute add-on for them.

Basically the MIST station was connected to the Mac station that was operated by one of the DITs. The R3D files went through 2 generations of backup and we got the 3rd generation through the Ethernet connection.

The DoP and the director used the MIST station during the shooting days for several reasons:

1) playback the freshly recorded media
2) to use previously recorded media as reference for lighting new scenes and make sure possible mistakes could be avoided
3) to test the limits of the lighting conditions to minimize the noise of the camera (the movie is a story about a vampire, so the scenes were very dark with some high-contrast lighting when the story required that)
4) to review scene details for story continuity (essenially used by the director and his assistant)
5) and finally for testing possible looks in post and even quick editing to test the dynamics of a scene.

We will have a full case study published soon. Just stay tuned

Dan
 
@jake: we support Tangent Devices CP100. CP200 and Wave are being added these days. Regarding conforming, it's part of the core software.

Dan
 
for those of you willing to have more details about the handling of R3D files, we have added a tutorial about how to conform a project made with FCP. There are also details about the options MIST has to handle the files with or without the RedRocket.

You can get it here: http://www.marquise-tech.com/solution/solution_red.html
 
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