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redray and 60fps for new TVs

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hi

The redray specifications page on the web says it will do 4k at 60Hz

(http://www.red.com/store/products/redray-player)

The Epic has no problem recording at 60fps (or rather 59.94fps with a shutter speed of 119.88, according to my DOP)

However, the best we can get the redray plug-in to deliver is 29.97fps

How do I get this up to 60fps? Or is this 60fps only in 3D mode?

Some precise, clear instructions would be much appreciated.

FYI, trying to get redray to output into 55" TVs at 60hz. Thats the goal, because Sony and LG both claim they can do 60fps at 4k

Thanks

jon
 
REDRAY may be capable of that, but the only way to do it at the moment is to run quad-HDMI out at 1080/60Hz and stitch the four HD images together in an external box or with a display that supports 4 simultaneous quadrant input. Maximum output fps at the moment at UHD/4K is 30fps over the single HDMI 1.4 connection.

HDMI 2.0 will be required to send out > 30fps from a single port. Hopefully the REDRAY box will get an upgrade. We can't encode to .RED at 60fps right now anyway.

Current Sony X850 and X900 series TV's, as well as the ES-1000 projector do not support > 30fps at 4K/UHD. The projector as well as the 84" Sony TV are upgradeable to HDMI 2.0 to support 4K/60fps via a board swap. The X850 and X900 TV's get HDMI 2.0 via a firmware upgrade, but everything I have seen states they are still crippled by their hardware bandwidth and won't support UHD 60Hz. Not sure who told you those TV's support it right now… Sony's marketing materials and official specs say nothing of the sort.
 
Thanks for the thoughts.

Sony say that they have been rolling out HDMI2 firmware (and some hardware updates too, possibly for early samples) and that any evaluation of their picture quality should be done at 60hz. hence my interest.
 
Yeah i would like to know the same thing. Any chance they'll update the RedRay with HDMI 2.0
 
Also interested in this...any updates since last Dec?

jon honeyball said:
Thanks for the thoughts.

Sony say that they have been rolling out HDMI2 firmware (and some hardware updates too, possibly for early samples) and that any evaluation of their picture quality should be done at 60hz. hence my interest.
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I ordered my RedRay when I ordered my Dragon... visions of 4k theatre danced in my head... when I got I found that the encoding times for 1 hour video via RCX 20... were too long to be believed and I don't believe RRX enabled. I bought the RedRay box... in all honesty the only non-bargain that has ever come with name Red on it... my question is only is it DEAD? I love my Dragons (more than the hot chick in GoT loves her's). I just want it to work... In my heart I know a ton of work went into it.

mwg
 
Ours is sitting in a closet not collecting dust but not fired up either for months.

Partly its due to lack of display options.

Were not gonna throw money on any 4K plus display until the dust is settled with the REDRAY.
 
I keep adding displays to my list of stuff that doesn't like to play nice with the REDRAY. It's very frustrating.

Even though I've managed to get my REDRAY to play to my Sony 4K projector through the Denon AVR setup (what a pain), I tend to do more client playback through the Sony X10 4K media player. I think the REDRAY has huge potential and it's a shame that RED seems to have abandoned continued development of the platform. But the player as it exists right now has a lot of bugs and connectivity issues.
 
I think REDRAY is dead. They probably have an HDMI 2.0 equipped unit or two at RED, but I doubt we'll ever see any REDRAY product again unless they roll it out as something else.
 
Well, since months i try to get ahold of the REDRAY SDK or anything to work with.. even being on development NDA with RED, not only no answer, but simply ignorement and silence from the people in charge of the REDRAY..

If Jarred writes (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showth...RAY-IN-STOCK&p=1350716&viewfull=1#post1350716) there is an SDK or whatever to work with the REDRAY, sadly there is simply nothing..
even RED Support or my Bomb Rep cant get no anser out of that black hole..

Who ever is in charge of the REDRAY does a bloody good job in killing that last spark of life left in these players..

Sorry for the rant, but having done work and planing and just getting ignored for months is something i expect from other companies but not from RED with whom i had fantastic experiences in the past..
 
Are you able to load your own media onto the Sony player? What encoding does it use?
 
Sony X10 takes H.264 and H.265 encoded 3840x2160. I can't recall max bit rate or other specifics off the top of my head at the moment. Drop it on a USB stick and plug into the front of the player, simple. Not sure if it will accept or play back at > 30fps in 2160p. I've only fed it 24fps material. It has HDMI 2.0, but I think it's limited to 24/30p at full resolution and 10Gbps over the HDMI. It does not play nice with any HDMI active switches or matrices, does not play nice with AV receivers as none of those things have HDCP 2.2 support at this time. Same with other TV's. So it only works with certain Sony displays/ projectors at this time and we have to use the secondary HDMI on the unit to feed audio to the AVR.
 
At the time the RedRay was designed the universe of monitors it might interface with was a tiny array of first gen efforts hamstrung by HDMI1.4. I'm sure RED would have appreciated a crystal ball to indicate what the technical capabilities of shipping, late 2014 displays would be. Even if they had known the particulars, what would the rational approach be to dealing with so many different signaling requirements?

From a pragmatic perspective the real answer is a widely supported I/O standard that can easily handle 3840 or 4096 or 5120 at up to 60fps/10 bit. I'm not holding my breath.

I don't see any real future for the RedRay player, I use mine for demoing UHD/4K material on displays it plays nice with but it's just too limited.

Best case: RED ships "RedRay-PRO" in 2015 with a smorgasbord of ports and perhaps an empty slot for future standards. Would be great if it could be fed directly from an RR-X with the RedRay able to cross convert as needed to match the display parameters. Would be nice to see a hefty discount for current RedRay owners in the spirit of obsolescence obsolete…

Realistically, I'm not convinced that making consumer electronics devices is in RED's wheelhouse. Because of the development effort required to make professional gear for UHD/4K production RED likely has some valuable technology in their portfolio for making something like a "RedRay-PRO". Perhaps they can leverage their chops in that area by licensing IP or OEMing components for an established consumer brand. Based on the last 8 years, RED has proven they can overcome huge technical hurdles so I'm not saying they can't successfully enter the consumer marketplace. That said, I'd rather see them stick to their core competencies and license any applicable tech to companies that already have the rest of the CE infrastructure in place.

Cheers - #19
 
Blair hit on something that has been on my mind for quite some time.
If RED was to continue developing the REDRAY player, I believe they would have gotten to the point where they would have had to pour so much R&D into it that they would have become the equivalent of a consumer electronics manufacturer, which, based on what I have heard and read, is not the direction RED wants to go.
I suspect that RED is continuing to pursue playback codecs behind the scenes, and submitting them for evaluation by ATSC, SMPTE, and others that decide which direction codecs will go.
I also suspect RED is doing the same thing with the laser projector.
RED may very well have unique patents on laser mechanisms, but instead of manufacturing their own projectors, RED may be more interested in licensing the technology to other projector manufacturers.
 
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