RedCineX CONTROLS ???

[George D.]

Hi George, there are several ways to do this. Sounds like you may have your view set to RAW, which will be flat and non-contrasty. On the back of the Red push VIDEO, then select VIEW and make sure the setting is RED SPACE, not RAW. This should get you 80% of the way there.

As for your footage, my advice is to use REDgamma2 and REDcolor2 as a starting point. Yes it will initially reduce some contrast, but it will give you a wide dynamic range. There are ways to go even further by using the REDLogFILM, but you would need to know a lot more about the process to get good results.

Using these settings you should get a good look right out of the camera, and an even better one with these couple of tweaks.

Have patience and go with the flow. The amazing results you are after are waiting for you inside the guts of all this and with a bit of time it will become second nature.

It literally takes me about 45 seconds to go from a RAW R3D to the most beautiful footage you can imagine. You will get there too, just don't get frustrated in the early stages.

Might be worth reaching out to a local owner who is fluent in the post process and spend an afternoon with them in their suite.

I assume, before I do this, that it will NOT effect the RAW R3D data of the original. True?

Please corroborate this, and I'll go ahead with it. It will just give me a little bit of a head start prior to editing the good shots.

Thanks.

 

[David Ibbitson]

Hi George,

As I've said, you cannot modify the original R3D. You can always return to the original clip look metadata.

David

 

[George D.]

Hi George,

As I've said, you cannot modify the original R3D. You can always return to the original clip look metadata.

David

Thanks David. I figured that. I just wanted to make sure.

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[George D.]

Hi George, there are several ways to do this. Sounds like you may have your view set to RAW, which will be flat and non-contrasty. On the back of the Red push VIDEO, then select VIEW and make sure the setting is RED SPACE, not RAW. This should get you 80% of the way there.

As for your footage, my advice is to use REDgamma2 and REDcolor2 as a starting point. Yes it will initially reduce some contrast, but it will give you a wide dynamic range. There are ways to go even further by using the REDLogFILM, but you would need to know a lot more about the process to get good results.

Using these settings you should get a good look right out of the camera, and an even better one with these couple of tweaks.

Have patience and go with the flow. The amazing results you are after are waiting for you inside the guts of all this and with a bit of time it will become second nature.

It literally takes me about 45 seconds to go from a RAW R3D to the most beautiful footage you can imagine. You will get there too, just don't get frustrated in the early stages.

Might be worth reaching out to a local owner who is fluent in the post process and spend an afternoon with them in their suite.

Well, Jim, I checked this out: "....make sure the setting is RED SPACE, not RAW." as you said. And, it was already set to that and RedColor. So, I'm sure there is something else I'm not doing, 'cause it hasn't helped the image.



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[Elsie N]

I don't know how much more of this I can take. I am about to give up.

If the shots we do with our Red-One come out crappy, we'll just have to live with it, because I will NEVER figure all this out. I guess it goes back to the old days of film; you either got it right, or you didn't. So, you better damn well know what you're doing.

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George, having gone through some of what you are dealing with now, I see similarities. My personal development accelerated once I worked with the footage I had taken in post. My first attempts made that footage look even worse than the errors I made in shooting it. But being non-destructive RAW, I eventually was able to salvage some of the images I remembered shooting. Post work helped me understand better that if you don't clip the highlights and still capture as much light in the image as is available, you can produce a nice image. Later on I learned how to tweak settings so I could get an even better result in post.

I'm just saying, once you understand post, the camera is much easier.
Not offering this as a pep talk..., just a testimonial of what worked for me. Disclaimer: this progression did not occur overnight, but you may be a quicker study than me.

 

[George D.]

George, having gone through some of what you are dealing with now, I see similarities. My personal development accelerated once I worked with the footage I had taken in post. My first attempts made that footage look even worse than the errors I made in shooting it. But being non-destructive RAW, I eventually was able to salvage some of the images I remembered shooting. Post work helped me understand better that if you don't clip the highlights and still capture as much light in the image as is available, you can produce a nice image. Later on I learned how to tweak settings so I could get an even better result in post.

I'm just saying, once you understand post, the camera is much easier.
Not offering this as a pep talk..., just a testimonial of what worked for me. Disclaimer: this progression did not occur overnight, but you may be a quicker study than me.

Thanks Elsie.

Oh no, no, I'm by no means a quicker study than you. I am so new to this world of high tech digital technology sometimes I feel like I'm drowning. Far too many years in film I guess. Or, maybe I'm just dense, which is a good possibility...

I was just hoping there was a way to tweak the settings in the camera to aid in the editing later. I need to "see" the shot in its perfection to KNOW in my mind that we got it, and can then move on. Shooting wildlife is not very often repeatable if you miss the shot the first time out. Things just happen much too fast. But, when they are repeatable, I still don't want to have to do them again IF the shot came out great.

Thanks for the help.

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[Elsie N]

Thanks Elsie.

Oh no, no, I'm by no means a quicker study than you. I am so new to this world of high tech digital technology sometimes I feel like I'm drowning. Far too many years in film I guess. Or, maybe I'm just dense, which is a good possibility...

I was just hoping there was a way to tweak the settings in the camera to aid in the editing later. I need to "see" the shot in its perfection to KNOW in my mind that we got it, and can then move on. Shooting wildlife is not very often repeatable if you miss the shot the first time out. Things just happen much too fast. But, when they are repeatable, I still don't want to have to do them again IF the shot came out great.

Thanks for the help.

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I'm on a Windows 7 PC and Adobe 5.5. Sounds like we have about the same setup, so if you encounter Windows specific hiccups, maybe I can help via the private message (PM) button on the forum. Anything regarding Redcine would be best asked here so more knowledgeable persons can answer.

 

[George D.]

I'm on a Windows 7 PC and Adobe 5.5. Sounds like we have about the same setup, so if you encounter Windows specific hiccups, maybe I can help via the private message (PM) button on the forum. Anything regarding Redcine would be best asked here so more knowledgeable persons can answer.

Yes, Elsie, it does look like we may just have the same set ups. Do you have Adobe After Effects too. I have an older version, 6.5, and I'm trying to learn that too.

On my plate, I not only have a new high-tech camera to learn, but three big programs to learn as well; Adobe Premiere Pro CS5, Adobe After Effects, and RedCineX.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew !! That's a lot for a shooter who only wants to get out there and shoot. A "lot" more involved than film, that's for sure.

Thanks for your invitation to contact you. That's very kind. I just may take advantage of it.

Be good !!

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[Rob Lohman]

Thanks Elsie.

Oh no, no, I'm by no means a quicker study than you. I am so new to this world of high tech digital technology sometimes I feel like I'm drowning. Far too many years in film I guess. Or, maybe I'm just dense, which is a good possibility...

I was just hoping there was a way to tweak the settings in the camera to aid in the editing later. I need to "see" the shot in its perfection to KNOW in my mind that we got it, and can then move on. Shooting wildlife is not very often repeatable if you miss the shot the first time out. Things just happen much too fast. But, when they are repeatable, I still don't want to have to do them again IF the shot came out great.

Thanks for the help.

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If you get the exposure, focus, framerate & resolution right etc. then you're golden. The other settings in the camera (such as color space) are a *default* that applications like REDCINE-X and Premiere will apply. Since it is RAW you can always change your mind later.

You can compare the look settings in Premiere & REDCINE-X to see which settings are different. If they're all the same the image should look the same as well.

All of this will be second nature soon!

 

[jimhare]

Hey George,

Why don't you post a JPEG of how your files are looking. Maybe also shoot a very short (like 2 second) R3D and post that as well. That may give us a better clue whether we are talking about color temperature, color space, contrast, saturation etc. Could be something much more fundamental than the things we are considering.

Well, Jim, I checked this out: "....make sure the setting is RED SPACE, not RAW." as you said. And, it was already set to that and RedColor. So, I'm sure there is something else I'm not doing, 'cause it hasn't helped the image.



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[George D.]

Hey George,

Why don't you post a JPEG of how your files are looking. Maybe also shoot a very short (like 2 second) R3D and post that as well. That may give us a better clue whether we are talking about color temperature, color space, contrast, saturation etc. Could be something much more fundamental than the things we are considering.

I'll try and do this when I have the time.

I've got a LOT more to learn.

Thanks.

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