REDCINE Request

[mikeburton]

Sorry if this has been requested before but I never saw it if it was. So many times I will have multiple resolution clips in the same open project in REDCINE ie 4k, 3k, 2k. However, REDCINE only allows you to have one resolution project setting per open project. It would be great if once you set a project resolution size per clip if REDCINE would automatically store that information and jump between these resolutions as you go from clip to clip in the timeline.

Also, I noticed when playing back 29.97fps clips overcrancked to say, 72fps that REDCINE wants to play that back at almost free run fps instead of it's project frame rate of 29.97. I was getting 60fps playback in these scenarios rather than 29.97 on all overcranked footage however the 29.97 shot normally would play back at 29.97. Can't be one hundred percent certain cause I could only test it on my one machine on set but it seems like a bug?

These are two more feature requests for the next version.

 

[Lucas Wilson]

Hi Mike...

Couple of questions below...

...many times I will have multiple resolution clips in the same open project in REDCINE ie 4k, 3k, 2k. However, REDCINE only allows you to have one resolution project setting per open project. It would be great if once you set a project resolution size per clip if REDCINE would automatically store that information and jump between these resolutions as you go from clip to clip in the timeline.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to accomplish here. Do you want the clips to play back all at their native resolution? Do you want clips that are frame to an output resolution? What are you trying to do?

Also, I noticed when playing back 29.97fps clips overcrancked to say, 72fps that REDCINE wants to play that back at almost free run fps instead of it's project frame rate of 29.97. I was getting 60fps playback in these scenarios rather than 29.97 on all overcranked footage however the 29.97 shot normally would play back at 29.97. Can't be one hundred percent certain cause I could only test it on my one machine on set but it seems like a bug?

How are you determining this, and what kind of a system are you playing this back on?

Lucas

 

[mikeburton]

Hi Mike...

Couple of questions below...



I'm not really sure what you're trying to accomplish here. Do you want the clips to play back all at their native resolution? Do you want clips that are frame to an output resolution? What are you trying to do?



How are you determining this, and what kind of a system are you playing this back on?

Lucas

Hi Lucas,

Sorry if I was a little vague.

1. For example - I would like a 2k clip to be framed in a 2k composition and the next clip, lets say is a 3K clip, I would like that to be framed in a 3K composition/frame automatically by REDCINE when scrolling between the two clips in the same project. This way, when I scroll from one clip to the next I don't have to go back to the project tab to change the resolution. REDCINE (in my ideal world) would remember on a per clip basis what frame resolution each particular clip was and reframe the project settings accordingly for 4K clips, 3K clips and 2K clips. Does that make sense?

REASONING - Now and again I'm on set and I download a mag, and load the r3d's for Basic CC in REDCINE and will have to switch on a per clip basis in the Project settings to properly frame a 3K clip, or 2K clip if my project is set to 4K 16:9 for example. If I don't do this, my 2k clip is in a 4K frame and looks "dwarfed", same with 3K etc. Having to manually switch between the project resolutions is a pain in certain instances.

2. I am determining this by eye (doesn't look like the clip was overcrancked since its playing back at 60fps), I tried multiple destination frame rates in project settings including free run all of which resulted in the same 60fps playback, Control + F1 to verify the playback frame rate, and exported the same file in RR which resulted just fine (playing back at 29.97fps and looked correct ie slow motion 72fps). Oh, also, the QT Proxy files played correctly as well as I expected at 29.97fps displaying proper slow motion effects. All those steps resulted in me thinking it may be a bug but I don't have any of those clips since it was a commercial (I do have witnesses . Like I said though, I can't be sure unless someone else can duplicate the effect. I'll take may camera out later and try again to duplicate the effect on my home machine.

In this case I was playing these 2K 29.97fps clips back on a 15' MacBook Pro, 2.6GHZ 2gigs RAM, 10.4.11 off of a E-Sata Seagate external drive.

I hope this helps . I can be a bit detailed to a point of confusion

 

[Lucas Wilson]

1. ... Does that make sense?

REASONING - Now and again I'm on set and I download a mag, and load the r3d's for Basic CC in REDCINE and will have to switch on a per clip basis in the Project settings to properly frame a 3K clip, or 2K clip if my project is set to 4K 16:9 for example. If I don't do this, my 2k clip is in a 4K frame and looks "dwarfed", same with 3K etc. Having to manually switch between the project resolutions is a pain in certain instances.

Why don't you just size all the clips to the project resolution? Since this is a realtime process and can be undone easily, it will get you what you want.

Try this:

1) Project -> Set Project Settings to HD 1080.
2) Shot -> Click "ALL" then click the "No Scaling" dropdown, and select Fit Width.

Now all of your clips are equal size. If you need to undo it, repeat step 2, but click "no scaling" and now all clips return to their default resolution.

2. I am determining this by eye (doesn't look like the clip was overcrancked since its playing back at 60fps), I tried multiple destination frame rates in project settings including free run all of which resulted in the same 60fps playback, Control + F1 to verify the playback frame rate, and exported the same file in RR which resulted just fine (playing back at 29.97fps and looked correct ie slow motion 72fps). Oh, also, the QT Proxy files played correctly as well as I expected at 29.97fps displaying proper slow motion effects. All those steps resulted in me thinking it may be a bug but I don't have any of those clips since it was a commercial (I do have witnesses . Like I said though, I can't be sure unless someone else can duplicate the effect. I'll take may camera out later and try again to duplicate the effect on my home machine.

In this case I was playing these 2K 29.97fps clips back on a 15' MacBook Pro, 2.6GHZ 2gigs RAM, 10.4.11 off of a E-Sata Seagate external drive.

I hope this helps . I can be a bit detailed to a point of confusion

Hmmm... Interesting... will check into this one.

Lucas

 

[mikeburton]

I could very well conform everything to a 1080p project but often times the DP wants to see 4k 1:1 scale or 3k 1:1 etc. In this case it is quite a pain to switch back to 4k, 3k or 2k project settings. Also, fit width won't display an Anamorphic image correctly in any project resolution. I know Anamorphic may be the exception.
I just feel it would be more efficient the way I previously described on set if REDCINE wasn't bound to one particular resolution without a manual change. If it's possible great, if it's too much trouble or no one else sees value in it, forget I mentioned it

Thanks for the suggestion and response. Let me know if you have the same issue with the 29.97fps overcrancked footage.
Mike