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Redcine as a CC tool ?

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I've heard some people on here claim that Redcine is NOT a color correction tool and shouldn't be used as one..

My question.. why not?
 
K.Berlin said:
you cant send a signal to an external monitor
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you could use a Apple and a regular monitor !
you could switch between them !
Thats how Web-Designer used to figure out color-settings.

could this help a bit for a low budget workflow ?
 
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Ok.. But what if you don't have an external monitor and you're CC-ing off of an Apple Cinema Display?
 
Or if you use a MultiBridge Pro to output your desktop?
I imagine you would learn pretty quickly about any shortcomings.
 
I would not recommend using redcine as a CC tool. It's great to preview a certain look but you will have more control and achieve much better results with AE, Apple color or Color finesse to name a few.
 
Actually we've been using the Matrox MXO to output to proper grading monitors, so I would say RedCine is great as a grading tool with the bonus that it's completely free!

If it had secondary colour correction that would make it fine for 99% of shots done on Red, but as it stands today it is more than ready to grade if you know how to! :)

Paul
 
REDCINE is great for doing a preliminary grade on footage. IMO, grading in REDCINE is a must if you're doing a ProRes workflow to get the color mostly there before you butcher the RAW and spit out 4:2:2.

Yes, the biggest shortcoming (other than bugs) is the inability to output your imagery to its own monitor. But that doesn't mean a grading-worthy monitor can't be used as your display for REDCINE.
 
It's too limited both in performance and features to be useful as a hard core color corrector. I see it as a necessary transfer tool. Much better Scratch, Color, DaVinci etc.

Noah
 
I think it would help if REDcine provided a waveform monitor and idealy a vector scope.

The histogram view + zebra only provides limited feedback.

Although I am new to the RED workflow, my initial response to grading/colorbalancing in REDcine or REDaltert is like being blindfolded...
 
Pxion said:
I think it would help if REDcine provided a waveform monitor and idealy a vector scope.

The histogram view + zebra only provides limited feedback.

Although I am new to the RED workflow, my initial response to grading/colorbalancing in REDcine or REDaltert is like being blindfolded...
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I cast my vote for this as well. Better yet, give us external monitoring so we can use our external scopes.
 
Actually, what I'd like to see is FALSE COLOR, just like you can select on the camera itself, so you can see which sections are blown within RedCine as you alter ISO etc. That allows you to creatively blow them whilst knowing exactly which parts of the image they are.

Thoughts?

Paul
 
BTW, it would be helpful if Redcine had much bigger box for the gamma adjustment. Every now and then run into a situation that making a fine adjustment is almost literally a pain in neck as the gamma adjustment is such a small box.
 
Lauri Kettunen said:
BTW, it would be helpful if Redcine had much bigger box for the gamma adjustment. Every now and then run into a situation that making a fine adjustment is almost literally a pain in neck as the gamma adjustment is such a small box.
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When you write 'gamma' you're refering to the curve editor, correct? If that's the case, then I wholeheartedly agree. It's an issue I brought up for Scratch recently, and a nice modification was made to allow curves to be edited in the animation interface which is a larger 'box' and allows zooming in x & y. Unfortunately since RedCine has no animation capabilities this simple fix won't work, but if enough people ask for it maybe the overall curves interface will be refined.

regards

John T.
 
editblog said:
Plus.. this is a free tool. I don't think any free tool is ever going to be good enough for real professional color grading.
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color correction is trivial.

really basic programming, especially compared to other visual softwares as 3D animation systems - blender (open source) and truespace (microsoft) etc are free meanwhile.

several of the most advanced finishing systems, way more powerful than i.e. speedgrade or scratch, as lustre, use a free (open source os) as linux. and the os is *way* more complex than a decent color correction.

i do remember the times when an offline NLE was $$.$$$, or a image manipulation system (512*512 pixels) was $$$.$$$.
 
It's too small plus you only have three modification points. I can't get the exact curve I want without being able to add more.
 
Biba said:
REDCINE can not be CC tool :) Because of no output to HD monitor or projector . About Apple Cinema Monitor , yes you can not trust this monitor for real CC job.
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Fully agree,

But how does one go about doing 'first light' in RedCine/RedAlert? In my opinion for getting most out of a R3D 'Raw' file, some basic waveforme+vectorscope would be needed. Especially here, because after this step, your lattitude is probably limited (in case of transcoding to e.g. ProRes).

A nice side-effect of having waveform+scope is that you do not really need an expensive calibrated monitor, at least not for the 'first light'.
 
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