REDCine, an EFP focus

[Jay A. Kelley]

Well Hans...

I am grateful for the feedback, but something tells me our EFP clients are not going to jump through hoops just to have RED footage.

Someone once said, RED is going the way of the Cine and Not Film.. With all due respect, I think RED will follow the money. And EFP outnumbers cine 4:1. I think they will do both.. Putting a lens power connector into the camera was a serious nod to EFP.. They won't stop now.

Bottom line: We need faster render times for 2k shooting. 3:1 would be excellent, and 5:1 would be liveable.. Beyond that.. I think we're too long.

RED knows this.. They get on it.. of that I am sure.

Jay

 

[Hans von Sonntag]

Well Hans...

I am grateful for the feedback, but something tells me our EFP clients are not going to jump through hoops just to have RED footage.

Someone once said, RED is going the way of the Cine and Not Film.. With all due respect, I think RED will follow the money. And EFP outnumbers cine 4:1. I think they will do both.. Putting a lens power connector into the camera was a serious nod to EFP.. They won't stop now.

Bottom line: We need faster render times for 2k shooting. 3:1 would be excellent, and 5:1 would be liveable.. Beyond that.. I think we're too long.

RED knows this.. They get on it.. of that I am sure.

Jay

Hi Jay,

I am absolutely with you. Please don't get me wrong: EFP is the future of RED, no doubt. Still there is this RAW workflow that is unfortunately more digital cinema than anything else - which is great in quality terms, but... Yes, render times must go down. 1:1 is the goal for the near future. CC systems like Scratch or SpeedGrade use the GPU (Nvidia 4500 and up) for rendering which is faster than the CPUs. I don't know how REDCINE is designed but haven't heard of any special specs. concerning the graphics board - that makes me wonder...

Besides this: We will use the 2K windowed EFP mode at least 50% of the time - so yes, I love the cinema but money must be earned... For us RED will substitute both: F900 for corporate/doc and 35mm for commercials. What a great camera!

Hans

 

[Nick Shaw]

Reference QT are offline quality (You don't want a F900 to look better..), this might change some time, but still you have to transcode them for NLE that are not QT native. Even in FCP reference QTs are slow, no RT so far. And one likes it or not AVID is still the major NLE.

I would not call the Reference QTs "offline quality". They may not quite match up to the best you can get from Redcine, but the bottom line is it's 'horses for courses' and if the quality of the proxies is adequate for a particular purpose, then who's to say they can't be used for the online?

Also with a fast Mac (eg an 8-core like I have) the proxy QTs are not slow. I can work with the 1k proxies on a 1080p24 ProRes timeline, monitoring via the HD-SDI out of my Decklink card, and get real time cuts, mixes and caption keying, which is all I need for editorial. I can't work with 2k proxies and use the broadcast monitor, but I don't really need that for an offline edit. I can work in 2k using the Digital Cinema Desktop in real time.

I'm pretty impressed already, and it can only get better from here!

 

[Hans von Sonntag]

I would not call the Reference QTs "offline quality". They may not quite match up to the best you can get from Redcine, but the bottom line is it's 'horses for courses' and if the quality of the proxies is adequate for a particular purpose, then who's to say they can't be used for the online?

Right. "horses for courses" It's a thing of point of view, taste etc...
For me there are easier workflows and cheaper ways to achieve a quality that is inferior to that what a RED is able to deliver.

Also with a fast Mac (eg an 8-core like I have) the proxy QTs are not slow. I can work with the 1k proxies on a 1080p24 ProRes timeline, monitoring via the HD-SDI out of my Decklink card, and get real time cuts, mixes and caption keying, which is all I need for editorial. I can't work with 2k proxies and use the broadcast monitor, but I don't really need that for an offline edit. I can work in 2k using the Digital Cinema Desktop in real time.

Excellent! Didn't know that the 1K proxies do so well. Great news and the way to go in FCP for off-line editing. Very promising. Thanks a lot for the testing!

I'm pretty impressed already, and it can only get better from here!

Very true.

Hans