Red4k+Cine+1080p from 35mm Workflow/FCP Questions

[BlackLight]

Hello all,
I am currently trying to generate a workflow that will allow for Red, Phantom, and 35mm footage to be edited into an 80min film on FCP for DCP and 2k/35mm filmout. (Red @ 4k, Phantom @ 2k/1080p/720, and 35mm telecine to HDcamSR 1080p) My thought at this point is to use an Apple ProRes HQ workflow in 1080p for my offline. Is this the best way to proceed? Or would 2k be faster for the transcoding time instead of the downconversion? Has anyone else attempted this?

When downconverting... which program is best/fastest? Compressor or Red Rushes? If it is Rushes, do you have recommended settings for quality and fastest conversion time?

Thanks,
Darryl
Senior Editor
BlackLight Films

 

[ThomtheEditor]

Hey, we're doing something similar with Viper footage that was telecined to 1080 and making our red footage match using redcine to 1080 as well, which also allows for us to go back and do digital push ins when coverage is not always there. the footage is mixing very well in terms of color and pixel noise.

 

[BlackLight]

Hey, we're doing something similar with Viper footage that was telecined to 1080 and making our red footage match using redcine to 1080 as well, which also allows for us to go back and do digital push ins when coverage is not always there. the footage is mixing very well in terms of color and pixel noise.

How long were the transcodes to 1080 from 4k? Was there a difference in time to create the files if rendered in 2k? Was this a ProRes HQ conversion as well?

This is for an offline edit to occur. We will probably use Scratch for final DI @ 2or4k for DCP and Filmout. The OG ftg was shot 2:1 and the 35mm to HDCamSR is 16x9. Aspect ratios will require letterboxing or sidebars in the timeline to view the entire frame because we will need to see the entire frame due to the visual intricacies of the ftg. and it's subject matter.

Since the ftg ranges from 4k to 720... I think either way will work as I will be upsizing/downsizing most of the ftg... just curious about the transcode time and if 2k slows the process too much.

Thanks for your time.
Darryl

 

[ThomtheEditor]

our footage was averaging 6:1 (proresHQ) past experiance with redcine doesn't show an appreciable difference for 2k, all of our footage was for online quality (High/Standard w/ NR enabled), lowering any one of those settings would get it down to 5:1, lowering them all for offlining would get it done to 4 or 3:1 (depending on footage).

Also, nothing techniclly different for you here, but i would consider maintaining 16x9 and letterboxing your 2:1 just for broadcasting standards, the only time we post @ 2:1 here is for music videos and web content.

Hope that helps!
~T

 

[BlackLight]

our footage was averaging 6:1 (proresHQ) past experiance with redcine doesn't show an appreciable difference for 2k, all of our footage was for online quality (High/Standard w/ NR enabled), lowering any one of those settings would get it down to 5:1, lowering them all for offlining would get it done to 4 or 3:1 (depending on footage).

Also, nothing techniclly different for you here, but i would consider maintaining 16x9 and letterboxing your 2:1 just for broadcasting standards, the only time we post @ 2:1 here is for music videos and web content.

Hope that helps!
~T

2:1 is the aspect ratio of the 2/4k material vs 16x9 for 1080p. Sorry for the confusion.
Darryl

 

[ThomtheEditor]

no i got that, i was just suggesting instead of pillarboxing the 16x9 to fit a 2:1 timeline, that you letterbox your 2:1 to fit a 16x9 timeline.