Red Scarlet vs BMC

[Eric Santiago]

Oh no... someone let Tequilla into the room.
All is lost! All is lost! Brace for impact!!

Hey Im allowed

Owning a RED camera requires some distractions

 

[Josh Snyder]

Yeah, you're right. Lens choices mean nothing when any lens will do.

No. You have wide range of lenses to choose from which will provide sharp and pleasing pictures. People really like to use old lenses wiht EPIC because the picture is too sharp with modern lenses for many purposes.

Did you watch that vimeo video of BMC in Mexico? What you think about it?

 

[Eric Santiago]

Not that it matters now but I think the topic should be re-titled as...BMC vs DSLR

After months of studying this camera (I was bored waiting for it to arrive), and meeting people online with same interests, I've come to the realization that 95% of the future owners are all coming from the DSLRs of all walks e.g. GH2, MKII, etc...

It truly is a killer...a DSLR KILLER!!

Heck they even added a Timelapse option

I look forward to this camera when I can just walk into a Henrys (Canadian prosumer/pro camera shop) and pick one up.

Itll make a great replacement for my Canon PowerShot.

 

[Scott Crawley]

No. You have wide range of lenses to choose from which will provide sharp and pleasing pictures. People really like to use old lenses wiht EPIC because the picture is too sharp with modern lenses for many purposes.

Did you watch that vimeo video of BMC in Mexico? What you think about it?

I have seen a few videos online that appeared to be well shot on the BMCC. They looked quite nice online. Why do you ask? I'm not following you.

Hey Im allowed

Whatever man. I just know when tequila comes to party you better duck and cover.

 

[Eric Santiago]

Whatever man. I just know when tequila comes to party you better duck and cover.

LOL!

Yep been there enough times.

 

[Josh Snyder]

Not that it matters now but I think the topic should be re-titled as...BMC vs DSLR

After months of studying this camera (I was bored waiting for it to arrive), and meeting people online with same interests, I've come to the realization that 95% of the future owners are all coming from the DSLRs of all walks e.g. GH2, MKII, etc...

It truly is a killer...a DSLR KILLER!!

Heck they even added a Timelapse option

I look forward to this camera when I can just walk into a Henrys (Canadian prosumer/pro camera shop) and pick one up.

Itll make a great replacement for my Canon PowerShot.

95% of Scarlet owners are coming from DSLR also so you seem to agree that this killed Scarlet too. Have you invested a lot of money on Scarlet or what is the reason you are so angry that 3k$ camera produces more beautiful image?

 

[James_Mills]

The sensor size is ok. Just use wider lens and you get same framing.

By Scarlet killer I meant a camera that will steal Scarlet customers. If Scarlet costed 3K$ including Side SSD and Canon AL Mount I would propably choose it over BMC.

I'm not planning to buy either of these cameras but when the price difference is so big I can't think that anybody would choose Scarlet over BMC. Bloom also didn't keep EPIC because of the issues it has with ISO etc, but is eagerly waiting the Dragon.

btw I would rather take 5K or even 4K native Dragon EPIC than 6K. I want to shoot full sensor and 6K gives just too much data. Not interested in Scarlet Dragon either (probably not even coming) since it will have same 6K sensor but lower frame rates. Fast frame rates are way more important than resolution beyond 4K for me.

Did you fail to see the whole "only uncompressed RAW or prores" section that Bloom vehemently admonishes? The Scarlet beats the Black Magic in every category; resolution, dynamic range, sensor size, battery options, compression rates and media storage, design and accessories, frame rate... literally everything except price. You get what you pay for, and I wouldn't sell my Scarlet back for the current BMCC and 10k by any means. If you would, good for you.

 

[James_Mills]

Have you invested a lot of money on Scarlet or what is the reason you are so angry that 3k$ camera produces more beautiful image?

lol yes, prettier images even though the Scarlet beats it in every imageable facet.

Why are we discussing anything with this guy, really? Good day, sir.

 

[Eric Santiago]

95% of Scarlet owners are coming from DSLR also so you seem to agree that this killed Scarlet too. Have you invested a lot of money on Scarlet or what is the reason you are so angry that 3k$ camera produces more beautiful image?

Angry? I am not surehow you got that from my post.

I have all the BMCC links of all clips released since April.

I also have the ProRes HD versions downloaded as well.

Plus JBs offerings that help me learn and set-up a decent RAW workflow.

I think you are mistaken.

Only anger I have is that my friends who have deposited part/whole are still waiting and waiting.

Of note I didnt come from the DSLR world.

We have a RED MX at work and it helped open doors to RED.

Took advantage of the BT Scarlet which I am glad I did.

Sadly I had to sell my Viewfactor Contineo Cage (coolest looking cage).

I learned more about digital cinema in the last month since push came to shove

Again I dont understand this topic.

 

[Josh Snyder]

There's enough resolution for cinema on both. 0,5 more DR is nothing in real life. Sensor size isn't a problem in most cases. Battery options are better for Scarlet sure even though very expensive. Storage options are better for BMC since you can just buy any SSD you want and aren't limited to camera brands expensive SSD's. Desing and frame rates are better on Scarlet.

What matters is which one produces better looking image and that is BMC. Better color, better skintones, better "filmlike" qualities. Deakins shot Skyfall with Alexa, why? Because Alexa looked better than EPIC. He doesn't care what number is before the K. He only cares which camera produces better looking image.

Did I mention that Scarlet costs a lot and I mean a lot more?

 

[Eric Santiago]

Josh not to be an ass but your points and counter-points are rehashed arguments I've witnessed on other user sites regarding the BMC vs <insert any camera brand here>.

Its pointless and find it quite useless for this site.

I come to REDUSER to learn about the cinema and the camera I chose to use.

 

[James_Mills]

There's enough resolution for cinema on both. 0,5 more DR is nothing in real life. Sensor size isn't a problem in most cases. Battery options are better for Scarlet sure even though very expensive. Storage options are better for BMC since you can just buy any SSD you want and aren't limited to camera brands expensive SSD's. Desing and frame rates are better on Scarlet.

What matters is which one produces better looking image and that is BMC. Better color, better skintones, better "filmlike" qualities. Deakins shot Skyfall with Alexa, why? Because Alexa looked better than EPIC. He doesn't care what number is before the K. He only cares which camera produces better looking image.

Did I mention that Scarlet costs a lot and I mean a lot more?

I don't care about stats, I know the GoPro produces better looking images / skin tones / more "filmlike" than the Black Magic and Scarlet combined. You know how I know this? Because Deakins shot with the Alexa instead of the Epic.

Arguing theoretically subjective opinions (when the numbers suggest otherwise, let alone using a completely irrelevant (and frankly tired) Deakins story as unwarranted support) is fun, huh?

You're a hater. You're here to hate. Enjoy.

 

[Philipe Ratton]

Josh, you own an Epic right?
May I ask why?

 

[Josh Snyder]

Josh not to be an ass but your points and counter-points are rehashed arguments I've witnessed on other user sites regarding the BMC vs <insert any camera brand here>.

Its pointless and find it quite useless for this site.

I come to REDUSER to learn about the cinema and the camera I chose to use.

The topic says Scarlet vs BMC. BMC is the best cinema camera deal on the market right now. I won't buy it though and no Philipe I don't own EPIC yet.

 

[Josh Snyder]

I don't care about stats, I know the GoPro produces better looking images / skin tones / more "filmlike" than the Black Magic and Scarlet combined. You know how I know this? Because Deakins shot with the Alexa instead of the Epic.

Arguing theoretically subjective opinions (when the numbers suggest otherwise, let alone using a completely irrelevant (and frankly tired) Deakins story as unwarranted support) is fun, huh?

You're a hater. You're here to hate. Enjoy.

There's lot of people who says that the DR between Alexa and EPIC doesn't matter, why aren't you whining about that? 0,5 DR makes no difference. It's the overall image that counts and your eyes are the judge. I'm interested in the truth and my eyes don't lie.

 

[Scott Crawley]

Josh not to be an ass but your points and counter-points are rehashed arguments I've witnessed on other user sites regarding the BMC vs <insert any camera brand here>.

Its pointless and find it quite useless for this site.

I come to REDUSER to learn about the cinema and the camera I chose to use.

Do you see what I mean? You've been hittin Pepe Lopez in the shooter, haven't you?

It doesn't have to be this way. Señor Snyder seems to be getting something out of this or he wouldn't be doing it. I don't know what it is that he is after, but he sure is harvesting a load of shit. Why not just let it be?

 

[Scott Crawley]

It's the overall image that counts and your eyes are the judge. I'm interested in the truth and my eyes don't lie.

Did you get that from Webster, filed under opinion? Seriously I looked up truth, and that ain't it.

I'm still interested to hear what you meant about the lenses thing. Please clarify.

 

[Scott Crawley]

Arguing theoretically subjective opinions (when the numbers suggest otherwise, let alone using a completely irrelevant (and frankly tired) Deakins story as unwarranted support) is fun, huh?

Quit taking the Deakins' name in vain. Shit. ;-)

 

[Nick Morrison]

There's lot of people who says that the DR between Alexa and EPIC doesn't matter, why aren't you whining about that? 0,5 DR makes no difference. It's the overall image that counts and your eyes are the judge. I'm interested in the truth and my eyes don't lie.

Josh, your one sided "Deakins" argument doesn't hold water. For every Deakins that loves Alexa (and yes, there are many), there's a Ridley Scott, James Cameron, Baz Luhrman, Peter Jackson, David Fincher, Wachowski's, and Steven Soderburgh that loves and shots on RED. Are these guys chumps too? Total clueless assholes? So I guess when the Wachowski's used those 100 Battle Tested Scarlets for their new "Matrix" FX shot, they were full of shit right?

You're eyes "don't lie"? So... because you've looked at a bunch of BMC clips online (but never owned it), and then looked at other Scarlet clips (but never owned), suddenly you're the Oracle and your "eyes don't lie"? Me thinks...your eyes see what they want to see.

If you want to buy the 3K BMC camera with its tiny sensor and huge file sizes, then go ahead. But dont' try and tell us your hokey indie budgeted "solution" is somehow better than a veritable cinema ready Scarlet. It ain't.

Oh yeah, and BMC can't even get their shit together and release the damn thing.

I'm not going to argue that the BMC isnt a great deal. It is. But to say it's better than the Scarlet, and then remind us that you think Alexa is better than Epic (cuz Deakins say so), suggests you have a particular agenda...that understandably...few of us are that sympathetic too (and that's putting it kindly).

 

[Scott Crawley]

Oh yeah, and BMC can't even get their shit together and release the damn thing.

I cringe every time I see you guys throw that around. I have to keep this honest. How long did we wait for Scarlet?

Oh and Holy Deakins! Leave the Roger out of this. He don't shoot no stinking BMCC! (Does he?)