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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

RED RAY - VTR style controls

vinney57 said:
If people are thinking theatrical distribution; forget it. Do you have any idea how paranoid those people are? Have you read the DCI spec. document? Advertising however is a whole different ball game. Those people actually want other people to see their content; as big and bright as possible.
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I spoke with 2 german distributors today, both are pretty interested to have a less complicated and less expensive route to the 2K and 4K projectors in the cinemas. red ray will, for the reasons you mentioned, never be an replacement to dci, but an alternative in many scenarios.

Especially for smaller films (10-30 copies), cult & classics, premieres, -press presentations-, festivals etc DCI certainly isnt as fast and flexible as it is wanted to be. red ray would fill the niche excellent, maybe not for the mayors, but certainly for the average mid-budget german production.

Also, many masters are shown without copyprotection, i know that first hand, as we often rent out HDCAM vtrs or 2K discrecorders while Berlinale for exactly that purpose.
 
laguun said:
I spoke with 2 german distributors today, both are pretty interested to have a less complicated and less expensive route to the 2K and 4K projectors in the cinemas. red ray will, for the reasons you mentioned, never be an replacement to dci, but an alternative in many scenarios.

Especially for smaller films (10-30 copies), cult & classics, premieres, -press presentations-, festivals etc DCI certainly isnt as fast and flexible as it is wanted to be. red ray would fill the niche excellent, maybe not for the mayors, but certainly for the average mid-budget german production.

Also, many masters are shown without copyprotection, i know that first hand, as we often rent out HDCAM vtrs or 2K discrecorders while Berlinale for exactly that purpose.
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Let's say I'm an independent producion company making a show for a TV channel. Or I'm making commercials. They want me to handle a tape. I want to keep my workflow in-house. I don't want to invest in tape drives that I know are going to be obsolete. I want my material to be delivered in HD in a good codec (much better than HDV) with a VTR that doesn't cost more than my camera. I don't want to have long rendering times, so I just output it to redray, Redcode wavelet based, 1080p. Less convertion time (hardware based?), better quality, almost for free.

Or, I want an HDCAM master. I get my hard drive to a post house, and they charge me their machine's downtime rendering out my material. Expensive for a 30' spot, absurd for a longer project. If I can get them a Redray cpy they only charge me VTR copy prices...

But both situations need the drives incorporated in their current VTR Workflows, and in order to do that, they need external deck control.
 
Reactor88 said:
Stuart,

I can't seem to find this info anywhere. So Red Ray has Quad HDMI and Quad HD-SDI. My questions is by Quad HD-SDI is that Quad Dual Link HD-SDI. Baiscly I would assume that it is outputing a 4K 4:4:4 at 10bit via Quad Dual Link HD-SDI and 4K 4:2:2 8bit via Quad HDMI. Is this right? Please correct me where I am wrong. Trying to understand the output.


Thanks!
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I too am very interested in exactly which interface technology will be used to drive potential 4K displays (and maybe 3840x2160 displays too I guess). I'm having some interesting discussions with a company here who want to develop a panel capable of outputting RED RAY 4K footage..... :ninja:

Red Team, if you want to contact me offlist for this you know where to find me! :)

Cheers,

Paul
 
Stuart English said:
Its targeted to be under $1,000
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Holy crap!

If you stick RS232/422 on this product along with HD-SDI and data outs you'll probably cement youselves as the dominant shooting format for the next ten years. (esp if you keep the size as is! Portable!!!)

I have to echo Laguun posts, they are a very good summary of what is wanted out there.

This product could easily facilitate the push for true digital cinema.

JohnF
 
Will it be able to play 5k from epic?

Also, slightly off topic but will epic be able to have a burst mode for super high speeds for a short time like scarlett?

Will the red one be able to burst at somepoint for that matter?!
 
The RS232/422 might make a sub $1000 pricepoint tough - is it feasible to adopt a modular approach and have it as an add-in board?
 
RS422 hardware is no problem, it's available on many system boards, or as a very simple chip... It's really just a matter of programming to allow VTR-emulation with a standard RS422 control protocol (Sony's for example).

If the device is capable of cueing to a location, prerolling and playing then it should have no problem emulating a VTR - someone just has to write the code.

Hell I can used my Avid as a virtual VTR... That wheel has been invented, just needs to be refined. This is what I was crying out for with P2 (I believe it exists now).
 
If it does come about that FCP or Scratch can generate .R3D files it would cool if REDRAY could some how do it, considering how excellent the .R3D format is, has anyone given Gramae his award yet? If not why not!
 
Red-Ray

Red-Ray

RED-RAY is a playback device, so no record / dub or encode options in it....

Keep the ideas flowing, this is a good discussion thread.
 
it would be nice if redray could also be used to stream a live view from the camera for video village stuff. it'll already have an asic chip that can decode and play redcode. I'm not sure whether you'd need to use the 5ghz 802.11A or the 2.4ghz 802.11N standard. maybe ultra wide band. redray already has the connections to hook to a good monitor via hdmi or hd sdi. I know those wireless standards get about 70% of their stated bandwidth due to overhead. you're already setup to do proxies

if you have something like redray why not use it in as many functional ways as possible. it would sell like hot cakes for video village applications and then you can also use it for playback in theaters and in post.
 
for screening:
maybe a reverse transcoding software tool to get a sequence after finishing the timeline....so a mixed timeline could be burned on the redray disc...
call it qt/dpxTOr3d or whatever...

this software will burn the DVD too...so you could be able to burn in different audio tracks...
and redray reads it like a regular player and you can choose the language/subtitles etc...

at the end you can duplicate the Master Redray dvd and send it all over to the redray stations...
 
Stuart English said:
RED-RAY is a playback device, so no record / dub or encode options in it....

Keep the ideas flowing, this is a good discussion thread.
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I believe we don't need record/dub capabilities, for what? "Mastering" RAW files? :wacko:

BTW, how about the audio support in RED RAY?
 
Stuart English said:
RED-RAY is a playback device, so no record / dub or encode options in it....

Keep the ideas flowing, this is a good discussion thread.
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Having no record is not a real issue. As i understand it, customers can encode via the computer. So, mastering once or recording with one of the red models (ahhh, i like the sound of that) are the primary sources. It would be nice to have record. The RS422/232 control & TC however make a -real- difference for many customers and potential uses, be it as feeder (for a NLE), a server (for a venue or tradeshow), a player (for a VTR/DDR dub), a source for an internal premiere, a digital cinema alternative for classic/premiere-content etc
 
I'd like to see a Gigabit ethernet port on the RED RAY and a very simple streaming protocol, so that I can send a file from my computer (or from the SolidStore) to the RED RAY and have decoded an played.
 
Stuart English said:
No promises on that one, but its a great idea, and we'd certainly like to hear your thoughts on all the potential applications for this technology...
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Any Keys lock to protect the RED Content inside the RED RAY ?
It will be good to integrate into the D-Cinema projectors from 4K to anything.

Forget about the DCI 4K standard !!!
Forget about the Blue-ray as well " Only HD " for the past !!!

The D-Cinema market worldwide will benefit from this SUPER Value 4K playback products.

Can we play 4K outside D-Cinema ? YES in any place you want.


Cheers,

Stewart
HKG - CHINA
 
Stuart English said:
RED-RAY is a playback device, so no record / dub or encode options in it....

Keep the ideas flowing, this is a good discussion thread.
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If there's no record option, where do you get dual layered DVDs with 2 hrs of 4K footage?
 
Record speed

Record speed

number6 said:
If there's no record option, where do you get dual layered DVDs with 2 hrs of 4K footage?
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A DVD player has no record function either, so the answer is - there will be a software based encoding application that complements the player.
 
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