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RED PRO PRIMES due for imminent update?

Cüneyt Kaya said:
didnt see it that way.
if i would be in the prime buyers seat i would like to know if new better primes are around the corner.
its not like computers where you know there will be something better next week.
But possibly the new primes will be more expensive because of better
mechanics, then for the budget concious buyer its important to get them while he can.
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As a fellow consumer I agree, I would want to know if something better were coming too, but advising people not to buy when you have stock in hand isn't good for the company. Besides, there is a new MO @ Red, "When it's ready, we'll tell you." We could be seeing that policy at work here. I'd count on it.

I do expect a new line of lenses will be more expensive, so as you say it might be important to get them now... Unless you are happy to pay more for the improvements/changes.
 
wow, thats nothing for a wideangle lens.
i will look for some videos re dissortion etc.
At 11-16 mm the AC should be able to pull focus with still glas mechanics (i guess its a rehoused still lens, because of the price) :))
Peter Majtan said:
2.8 and it costs little over $3K (http://www.ducloslenses.com/products/duclos-11-16mm)
You can get it in different mounts...
Only have shot with it in 4K (Scarlet's limitation). I am renting this lens for now - as they are on a massive backorder (5-6 months). When I have it next time - I will check the coverage in 5K

Peter
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Cüneyt Kaya said:
wow, thats nothing for a wideangle lens.
i will look for some videos re dissortion etc.
At 11-16 mm the AC should be able to pull focus with still glas mechanics (i guess its a rehoused still lens, because of the price) :))
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Not just rehoused - he has completely redone the mechanics - it really feels like a PRO cine zoom. Also de-clicked the iris. Matthew did a awesome job on this - which is why there is such long wait for one. He is also working on a 70-200. Can't wait...
Until then I am happy with my Canon "L" glass...

Peter
 
Cüneyt Kaya said:
didnt see it that way.
if i would be in the prime buyers seat i would like to know if new better primes are around the corner.
its not like computers where you know there will be something better next week.
But possibly the new primes will be more expensive because of better
mechanics, then for the budget concious buyer its important to get them while he can.
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Yeah first I thought he meant they would be EOLd but since he went on about them being so successful this does not make sense really. So my best bet is that new ones could be coming that would be more expensive.
 
I would guess if there is no set price anymore, that's because maybe Red will propose to build our own ? With new focal lengths ?
With the long awaited extra RPP like 14, 21, 32, 40, 65, 135 and 180 you could build a very different 6 lenses set.
 
Jon MIchael Puntervold said:
Would love to add a 14, 32 and a 65, but I don't see Red adding new Pro Primes, unfortunately...
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Why not? Do you have some reasoning to support your theory, or is this based on your gut? As great as they seem to be there is certainly room for improvement. You don't think Red will improve them?
 
would be nice if someone from RED would drop us some hints...
I know a couple people, including myself, looking to make lens purchases in the near future.

IF there is something actually happening, my bet would be the added focal lengths, and a v2 type upgrade on the lens barrels to allow for mounting/unmounting of lens without adjusting follow focus.
 
Don't the existing RPP's only cover 5K max? Maybe something new coming out to cover 6K+?

I was selling my RPP's but I'm kinda wishy washy now.

Knowing my luck, the new RPP's will be f/1.3 and half the weight and price. lol
 
Scott Crawley said:
Why not? Do you have some reasoning to support your theory, or is this based on your gut? As great as they seem to be there is certainly room for improvement. You don't think Red will improve them?
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The Pro Primes are traditional PL cine lenses, I would guess that the next set of primes will be some disruptive lenses designed for the DSMC concept. And my gut tells me that the Pro Primes were a single run production, this is why they are not available for back order, after they ran out of 50 millimeters...
 
Jon MIchael Puntervold said:
The Pro Primes are traditional PL cine lenses, I would guess that the next set of primes will be some disruptive lenses designed for the DSMC concept. And my gut tells me that the Pro Primes were a single run production, this is why they are not available for back order, after they ran out of 50 millimeters...
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OK then.

I think Jim's got balls enough to take on Canon in the still lens arena, but I don't see why he would. That is why I see it differently. On the other hand the DSMC concept, as it were, is a hybrid so it is possible that we may both be right to some degree. We shall see soon enough, I think!
 
Feeling luckily I got the set! 50mm is probly not used much since not many people use REDs to make documentaries. Also, you can get a zoom lens and there you have it ;)
 
I understand RED's need to change based on their exponential growth, also I don't expect an entire theory of life/details on new lenses, but it's on the schizoid side just dropping 50mm lenses in the store without any real notification. I recently made the bet, which i think is a good bet, to go with RED glass ... but wow ... just dropping a core lens in the store without any reason is weird. I'd like to at least hear something like: we are "updating" our 50mm lens and it will be back in the store after NAB.
 
Hi Guys,

Just to be clear, I don't know anything you don't know, but let me make a couple of observations.

The world we live in here is pretty rarefied air. RED has redefined the high end cinema camera market and had a level of success that has expanded the market considerably. There are far more RED camera's in the world today that Arri ever sold 35mm film cameras.

That said, there are just not that many people that need to buy this level of gear. This holds true for PL glass to an even greater extent.

Let's say I was a maker of PL glass and had made a production run a couple of years back of a new lens series. They did well and as the reputation of my product increased, my product became more popular and sold steadily.

Now lets say for some reason there was a marked increase in lens sales that I hadn't predicted. (e.g. somebody released some new cameras that used my lenses.)

I've now got a problem on my hands, I'm out of inventory before I expected and I've really had limited ability to foresee this outcome.

I've already sold a lot of lenses into a pretty small market, and maybe it's not my core business, does it make sense for me to tool up again to produce the same glass? Maybe

Does it make sense to sell out my existing stock even if I don't have a new product ready to roll if my customers want to buy them, or before I'm ready to talk about my future plans. Yes I think that does make sense.

I don't know for sure what's coming, but I don't think there is any secret master plan to not tell customers what's up. I think they'll tell us when there is a clear path to what's next.

And if you find the guy who can infallibly identify what customers will buy and when, send him my way, I want to introduce him to my stock broker :-)
 
Peter Majtan said:
The RPP set has all but disappeared from the RED STORE and also the 50mm is gone. With the larger sensor in the Epic and possibly the Dragon being FF (still) - I smell a new breed of RPP's-FF's around the corner...
Let's hope this is the reason and not something else...

Peter
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Lets just hope they are small, light & bright...
 
Peter,

The whole set has disappeared because they can't sell it without 50mm which is a common lens.

I think RED decided to redesign that lens. I always thought it is a bit different then other ones.

I really like their performance.
 
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