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RED Price

Dominic Jones said:
Yes I know, thanks Stephen - that one you've just gotta take on the chin, but it's usually very low in relation to the VAT, so you get the majority (in my experience around 75%) back...

There's all the different brackets for import duty though, so it's always a bit of a lottery how it gets classified. I've bought camera equipment and accessories, but not an actual camera, from the states - so maybe I'm in for more of a shock with a camera - do you happen to have any idea if the import duty is significantly higher for cameras than for accessories?
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Hi Domonic,

It's over 12 years since I lived in the U.K.,back then I remember paying between 4 to 8%. I would check with customs & excise what the code is, I know for a 35mm cinema film camera its 9007.1900.
In Switzerland import duty is based on weight!

Be aware there is a tax on broadcast quality video cameras made outside the EU of 40%! Hopefully this tax does not apply to Red .

Stephen
 
Stephen Williams said:
Be aware there is a tax on broadcast quality video cameras made outside the EU of 40%! Hopefully this tax does not apply to Red.
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Wow! Well, it's a good job this is a digital cinema camera then, isn't it?!

Thanks for the heads-up and advice Stephen...
Dom.

EDIT: Ha ha, I see you've edited your post - yes, let's hope not indeed!!
 
it might be the case that some are underestimating the cost vs. results of a total RED package.

either way, Rob is right ; there'lll be plenty of people to test the waters before you, so a reservation (refundable) is a great option if you think you can afford the cam as is ...

in the mean time; when the cam ships, we'll swim around and let you know the currents. just in case the price is ready to take a rocket ride after the rez period is over -> reserve if you got the dough.
 
Welcome to the Camera Kit Club Guys,
Been doing this with film gear for ever. Hope I can help.
If your using the Red camera professionally (I think most people are)
the camera body usually represents 40-50% of the total kit price.
Things like Lenses, Accessories, Support and Insurance make up
the other 50%.
So a Red kit would come in at around the US$40K mark.
The accountancy rule for this type of electronic plant is to return
2% per day on a rental basis = US$800 per day or $1600-$2400
per week depending on producer negotiations.
In addition the 2% covers repairs, upgrades and the unclaimable depreciation of the kit, (being replaced by a bigger better widget).
Also it covers additional overheads like bank interest and the running
of a secure reliable vehicle for the transport and storage of the kit.

50 days hire covers the initial cost of the kit but as a rule you need
another 50 days to make a PROFIT and cover the cost of the next
big thing.
So your looking at 4-5 feature films, 2-3 episodic TV series, 100 music
vids or 100 commercials over the life of the camera.
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Good luck and happy shootin. Mezmo
 
Nobody said RED was going to be cheap, but it will be a bargain if it does 90% of what it's supposed to. I wasn't willing to take the chance to not have my reservation in.

Nobody knows for sure, but I can imagine a day when the RED will be a bit more expensive. Now, maybe manufacturing costs will actually come down, but there seems to be a lot of things going into making this camera and it can't be cheap.

Get on the list and if you don't like what you see, get your money back.
 
mezmo said:
Welcome to the Camera Kit Club Guys,
Been doing this with film gear for ever. Hope I can help.
If your using the Red camera professionally (I think most people are)
the camera body usually represents 40-50% of the total kit price.
Things like Lenses, Accessories, Support and Insurance make up
the other 50%.
So a Red kit would come in at around the US$40K mark.
The accountancy rule for this type of electronic plant is to return
2% per day on a rental basis = US$800 per day or $1600-$2400
per week depending on producer negotiations.
In addition the 2% covers repairs, upgrades and the unclaimable depreciation of the kit, (being replaced by a bigger better widget).
Also it covers additional overheads like bank interest and the running
of a secure reliable vehicle for the transport and storage of the kit.

50 days hire covers the initial cost of the kit but as a rule you need
another 50 days to make a PROFIT and cover the cost of the next
big thing.
So your looking at 4-5 feature films, 2-3 episodic TV series, 100 music
vids or 100 commercials over the life of the camera.
_______________________________________
Good luck and happy shootin. Mezmo
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Great post mezmo, the question of kit rental has been going around for awhile. Thanks for the info! Alex
 
reel stephen,

if i didn't see that last post of yours.. i'd ask.. who are you, man?.. the prophet killjoy.. or dr. $poil$port?..

:)
 
Stephen Williams said:
Be aware there is a tax on broadcast quality video cameras made outside the EU of 40%! Hopefully this tax does not apply to Red .
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Now I am just going from distant memory but I seem to recall that only applied to 3 chip broadcast cameras.

Martin
 
Again, let's hope so - I think it's a fairly easy "sell" to the Customs and Excise guys that this is clearly *not* a broadcast camera....

I guess we'll see in due time!
 
Apart from anything else, why would you buy a broadcast camera from the states - it'll be a 60Hz model, useless for PAL/50iHDTV shooting!
 
The 40% anti-dumping levy applies only to certain broadcast cameras from Japan.

Martin
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi,

Follow focus, matte box, fluid head & extra batteries could easily add $10-15,000.
If you really want lenses to get the best out of your 4K camera you should budget $100,000 plus, thats why many people rent.

Stephen
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if your not smart about it and buy the most expensive of each.. then ya

i have a mattebox/follow focus and tripod already so im in the clear..

but if i didnt.. you can still buy a nice multiple stage mattebox for under 1200
a followfocus for under 1200 (even modify a redrock or indifocus) mine works great.. no backlash at all. and then u can buy a decent fluid head for 800.. that doesnt add up to 10-15 grand. besides.. were talking about shooting right out of the box. you dont need a mattebox and you dont need a ff or even a fluid head (shoot handheld).. you will in time need these things but they are all rentable per shoot.
 
Martin said:
The 40% anti-dumping levy applies only to certain broadcast cameras from Japan.

Martin
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Hi Martin,

I know it was intended to help Phillips at the time, thats why broadcast cameras are so much more expensive than the industrial version.

Stephen
 
zakaree said:
if your not smart about it and buy the most expensive of each.. then ya

i have a mattebox/follow focus and tripod already so im in the clear..

but if i didnt.. you can still buy a nice multiple stage mattebox for under 1200
a followfocus for under 1200 (even modify a redrock or indifocus) mine works great.. no backlash at all. and then u can buy a decent fluid head for 800.. that doesnt add up to 10-15 grand. besides.. were talking about shooting right out of the box. you dont need a mattebox and you dont need a ff or even a fluid head (shoot handheld).. you will in time need these things but they are all rentable per shoot.
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Hi,

If you are planning to use one of the best digital cameras ever made, is skimping on lenses etc really such a good idea?

There is a reason that Arri Matte boxes & follow focus units cost so much, you will only ever cry once!

Stephen
 
hi reel stephen..

hmmmm.. you didn't comment our post..
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take that:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=350

and leave those people there at cinematography.com and .net forums.. elitist and sick people..
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not people who love the cinema and the real artmakers but their own selfish interests.. selfish makers.. not properly you.. :)
 
Yes, true, ARRI is heavy duty, with it, never ever you need gaffertape to fix a weaky kind of mattebox that makes you angry because in your wideangle shot you see a ugly black shadow destroing your incredible composed picture. Ok, if I have the occasion I will gratefully test a lowcost one. Then it is true: ARRI is dammed expensive but on the other hand, ARRI stuff will last forever.
 
Hi,

Sorry, I have been driving for over 5 hours today! I am behind on posting. One thing to remember if you buy a second hand Arri toy, in 5 years time you will sell it for what you paid, low cost of ownership!

FWIW had lunch with a low serial no Red reservation holder!

Stephen

filmmaker's gang said:
hi reel stephen..

hmmmm.. you didn't comment our post..
sad-smiley-047.gif







edit

take that:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=350

and leave those people there at cinematography.com and .net forums.. elitist and sick people..
vomit-smiley-013.gif


not people who love the cinema and the real artmakers but their own selfish interests.. selfish makers.. not properly you.. :)
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