Red One MX recent price drops

[Jeremy woods]

Totally irrelevant thread to post... But i just left an article on Cinema 5D regarding canon's C500. Apparently Cinema 5D users will receive a $500 discount with a promotion... This, deducted from an already $20,000 camera that under performs the oldest camera in Red's line up, now priced at $4000 and going fast. A 4k setup internally, second to what is a future "option" on nearly every single offering announced this year, 5 years after the beginning of the Red One. The only thing in the price/performance aspect regarding features that seem to have a leg up, is the global shutter on the F55. Then again, after debayering, it's a 5 year old camera with true "3.2k" resolution. ...in which case, the now 2 year old Epic out performs.. Thus, the release of the Dragon sensor which i assume will deliver a true 5k image, and then jim can retire.. I honesty don't think Hollywood would have used a Red camera for as many features as they have if "Rolling Shutter" was an issue... They aren't 5D mark 2's... Lol.. So a global shutter is cool, yes, but not enough to persuade me into it with another $5000 to buy a recorder... Especially when a Red One is $4000, and people are selling quality accessories to make it shoot ready for nothing.. You have a camera with the acquisition defacto of true cinema resolution for under $10,000 top to bottom if you shop around.. I honestly wish they'd just keep making them at this price, because honestly, until somebody could compete price wise with that level of performance, they would monopolize the whole block.. They probably already do though.

 

[Delvon Teco]

Totally irrelevant thread to post... But i just left an article on Cinema 5D regarding canon's C500. Apparently Cinema 5D users will receive a $500 discount with a promotion...

On the Canon C500 or the REDONE camera? I read that Canon is offering a $500 discount for Europeans.

 

[Jeremy woods]

On the C500. It's on Cinema 5d, check it out.. $500 is $500... But it's just a C300 until you get the external 4k recorder... And then it's Canon's version of what raw is, which is baked in gamma and whitebalance... Which to me, isn't raw.. Lol. Plus it's 10 bit, instead of 12 on the Red One. Kind of silly considering this is their best offering in terms of a Cinema camera..

 

[Matthew Peevy]

Was considering the Canon C300, but went with my gut and jumped on the Red bandwagon. It makes no sense to spend 16k on a camera that only shoots 1080p..not in today's world. Canon is about to have a sore fanny when they see how bad sales become. Don't get me wrong, Canon makes a fine product. They just don't look to the future. So again, I weighed pros and cons and after a very short thought process, I made the commitment. I placed my R1MX order last week! Cannot wait to be part of the Red movement!

 

[Ryan De Franco]

First off I am not a fan of the image out of the C300 and C500. Everything I've seen, log or otherwise, looks like a cleaner version of 7D footage--less cloudy but the same stale water.

That said, you cannot write off the cameras for only being 10 bit, as it is 10 bit log, which, apparently, compares favorably to 12-bit linear. Someone else made the same mistake recently on CML, below is a response from Mitch Gross. I am uninterested in Canon Raw and this ain't the place for discussing it, but here are the facts from Mitch... also about why Canon chose to lock in ISO at the time of capture to minimize noise (the same way filmmakers have for a century...)

"You appear to be confusing 10-bit Log encoding with 12-bit or 14-bit Linear encoding. Log is more efficient and a 10-bit Log is essentially equivilant.

And there is a difference in how gain can be applied, whether in analog form at the sensor or in digital form to the outputted signal. Each has advantage and disadvantage, but don't for a moment think that Canon is cheating you out of something with their RAW encoding. It is a fatter signal than any other camera available, with the exception of the Phantom 65 Gold (and for unavailable, the monster Dalsa Origin). Canon is making the most efficient use of space with Log encoding rather than delivering an insane amount of data, such as 16-bit Linear. Canon is also applying gain in the best, cleanest possible way when the camera is set to a high ISO, and therefore giving the greatest usable dynamic range with the least amount of noise in the signal".