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RED MX Canon Mount

Andrew Hutcheson

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So I'm planning on shooting a feature this summer on the Red MX and was wondering if anyone has any experience using Canon glass on the Red.

As far as adapters go, I know the Birger mount voids the warranty but I'm looking at the Leitax mount and unsure as to whether or not that voids warranty also.

Any information/suggestions would be much appreciated.

Thanks!
 
I think Red draws the line at removing the collimation base. That's why the Allstar mount is approved and the Berger (and I would guess the Leitax) is not (any longer).
 
I think you can get leica R mount from Allstar
 
If it's Leica R lenses you want, you should totally do the Allstar mount. The Canon adapters can have a little slop in them and the Allstar adapter is really rugged, just like the PL design. I have one with a couple Nikon adapters and one Leica adapter for the 28-70 zoom. Then you can also get the PL adapter and quickly switch to Cine glass.
 
What I'd be looking at probably doing would be getting the Allstar and outfitting my Canon L lenses with Leica R adapters - just feels like a waste not to use the great glass I already have, until I upgrade to some nicer glass

Also, I know this is totally non sequitur, but I have RedRock Micro's studio DSLR rig and was wondering if there are any problems using the Red on 15mm rods, so long as I have a decent adapter.

Thanks!
 
I have a Birger Canon Mount and Impero Wireless Follow Focus for sale if anyone is interested.

-michael zaletel
 
Ah... I don't actually believe that Canon lenses are adaptable to other mounts (because of their large flange and maybe their back focus). The flange size does make it possible to adapt most any lens to a Canon body but the reverse is not true. I'm pretty certain there is no way to get a Canon lens onto a Red One without voiding the warranty. I'm so anxious for Canon mount on Epic just to be able to use my Tilt/Shift lenses.
 
That's correct Christopher- you can put Canon EOS adapters on leicas(R) but not the other way around
 
I Agree. We have Allstar mounts on all of our R glass. Its a great mount system, very stable and solid. The lenses are allso first rate.
 
I have a DoP came back and choose our Nikon ED Zoom lens set for shooting a drama. With Allstar A-mount and the Nikon F-adaptors, each zoom lenses are adjusted with the back focus using the feature on the F-adaptors. These Nikon ED zoom lenses are all F2.8 and very sharp. Only thing is the breathing issue.
Very strict chief camera assistant (he actually worked on the back focus adjustment) is surprised on how solid F-adaptors mounted on the A-mount. Highly recommend it.
 
We used Canon glass on our M-X One exclusively on our second feature, "Terminal," which is now in editing. It's a terrific, terrific look! We will definitely be using our Canon L-series glass with our Stage 3 Epic-X when it arrives this fall.

Stephen
 
I've shot 3 features on Canon glass (see sig) and the Birger mount. There is a whole soap opera concerning the Birger mount loosing it's warenty status with Red, you can search the forum if you're interested. The warenty is only an issue if your camera is new (of course). A lot of the contention surrounded the use if the idata wire inside of the mount that provides the Cooke lens data to the camera. I won't change out the Birger mount unless there is several days worth of work with the PL mount cause damaging this little wire is a costly repair.

Red has shown no interest in creating a Canon mount for the Red One, and the Epic and Scarlet mounts are so totally different that there is no way lessons learned would make it back to the One.

The Birger mount is the right way to go as the Canon iris and focus are driven internally by electric motors, but if you opt for a 'dumb' mount:

The issues with focus is that there is a bit of a clutch action between the glass and the external focus ring (except for the 85mm F/1.2L). If you are using a mechanical follow focus and you go past the internal stop all of your focus marks will be off. If the lens sticks or hangs at all then it will not be useable. The 85mm L is totally electronic and cannot be used on a dumb mount (but the $400 85mm F/1.8 is so good that I wouldn't loose any sleep over it).

The issue with iris is that there is no external control of it. To set it you will need to have a Canon SLR on set (an older film type will work). To do this mount the lens on the SLR, manually set the F-Stop, depress the image preview button while removing the lens. This procedure will freeze the iris in the position you set. The downside is that you'd rather iris open on the Red One to get your focus marks.

Personally I like the Canon glass and would seriously consider buying a cine rehoused kit if anyone were to bring it to market. As it stands I think a set of RPPs is in my future.

Bob
 
Bob Gruen said:
A lot of the contention surrounded the use if the idata wire inside of the mount that provides the Cooke lens data to the camera. I won't change out the Birger mount unless there is several days worth of work with the PL mount cause damaging this little wire is a costly repair.


Bob
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The fragile idata cable problem is an issue with pretty much any alternative mount, including theRed Nikon dumb mount, because of the way things developed when red went to the adjustable mount after the first hundred or so cameras. The epic design is much nicer with "pogo" pins like most DSLRs. And the sensor moves for back focus adjustment, so no worries there either.

FYI Birger also has a Pl mount accesory for $400 that uses the Birger adjustment section so you don't ever have to deal with the idata cable when changing back and forth. very easy to pop on and off - just the four quick screws at the front. And it's a nice solid PL.

Dozens have been using Birger successfully on Reds for years now. It also is pretty nice because it supports serial control so you can control it from a laptop as well as the follow focus knob. We have used it with 220 feet of underwater cable on numerous occasions.
 
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