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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

RED Mattebox...

Brian Broz said:
Chrosziel 450-__ will not work with RED lenses as far as I know.
The Chrosziel is 110mm rear and the RED 18-50 and 50-150 are both 114mm (the 300mm is 117mm).
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I understand this to be correct, but will it still vignette even if pushed up against the back of a 110mm rear of a Chrosziel 450-__? I notice the 18-50mm RED glass has such a large hood on it so I was hoping it might work.

I really am interested in the swing solution, I just dont want to have to invest in new rails for it....not sure if thats how it works, we shall see.
 
While I thought the Red Matte Box was an interesting idea, I think it is a wise decision for them to concentrate on the other products announced.

I have seen other companies take on too much or reinvent the wheel when they should stick to what they are good at or let other third party companies concentrate on their projects.

Good move, Jim.
 
Agree! The clip on looked GREAT. I have an Arri MB 20 II but that would be a nice clip on and was hoping to order.

Don't give it up!

M

Brook Willard said:
I'll respect the decision if it's final... but I still want to urge you in the strongest possible terms to release your clip-on. That thing is hands-down awesome and wasn't more than about 5 little features from being ready to ship.

I'll buy a freaking prototype if it's on the table. That thing rocked. Losing the swing-away matte box is one thing, but your little 4x5 clip-on was a party in the shape of a matte box.
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Mitch,

Keep me posted on this. Thanx,
M

Mitch Gross said:
Sorry to chime in late; just got back from traveling.

I think it's great that RED has decided to focus more on its core products. Spreading resources too thin can lead to delays and things falling through the cracks. The speed of development at RED is so fast that diluting the vision is not a good thing.

Arri has many current products (which Abel sells at special pricing to redusers) that work well with the RED. The MB20-II is a prime example, as is the LMB-15, which is a clip-on that is very much like the design of the prototype RED clip-on. There's also the big boy MB-14 for those really huge lenses.

Arri has a new prototype clip-on or rod-mount mattebox which was developed in consultation with Abel. It was designed specifically to work with the Sony PMW-EX1 but turned out so nice that it can be used for many other cameras. We showed it at our NAB booth and response has been very enthusiastic. Arri is doing some slight refinements to the initial prototype design and then we'll be rolling them out. When the refinements are complete we will see about compatibility with various lenses on the RED One. At this time I'm confident that it will work with most primes, but we don't want to make any promises before testing. Pricing has also not yet been determined, but it will be below even the cost of the LMB-15. When we know more you will know more.
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Hi Mitch,

do you know if Arri's new Mattebox will have a swingaway option and/or 138mm rear filter holder. I guess a tilt filter option would be out of the question for this price range too?
 
Based on the prototype, no on the swingaway and yes on the 138 filter holder as an option. The rear clamp ring is sized to accept the 138mm bellows back from the MB20. And yes, a tilt filter would be a bit much for this little mattebox.

I really don't know price and availability yet. The Arri engineer literally finished the final assembly of the prototypes in his hotel room before the show! Every day he swung by our booth to make sure the thing was holding together well and to gather comments we'd received for improvements in the design. It was very close to the finished piece but he came up with some unique little tweaks that he plans to incorporate. We can't wait to get them in.

So everyone knows, we very happily sell lots of Chrosziel matteboxes, as well as Vocas.
 
What matte boxes will fit Red's upcoming 18-85? RedRock, Chrosziel, Petroff, Vocas, Arri? I'm primarily interested in the Petroff and Redrock. Does anyone know? Thanks.
 
Jason Ing said:
What matte boxes will fit Red's upcoming 18-85? RedRock, Chrosziel, Petroff, Vocas, Arri? I'm primarily interested in the Petroff and Redrock. Does anyone know? Thanks.
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I believe the RED18-85 is 139mm. Redrock will fit up to 144mm. Don't know about the Petroff. Somebody correct me if these figures are wrong.

Me thinks Redrock is going to do very well out of this :detective2:
 
For those who are curious, here's a photo of the Arri prototype mattebox, mounted here on the front of an EX1. Arri said today that delivery would be after June and price would be below $2000, perhaps dramatically below. It's a very different product for Arri, their first low-cost item for high volume shipping. And still with Arri quality of design and build. We'll let you know more when we know more.

Also the little single-sided follow focus is also new. Really sweet and adjustable. Not to be overlooked and it will be in the same price range as the mattebox.
 
Heya,

Just ordered the Redrock. Can't wait!

ATF
 
Mitch Gross said:
For those who are curious, here's a photo of the Arri prototype mattebox, mounted here on the front of an EX1. Arri said today that delivery would be after June and price would be below $2000, perhaps dramatically below. It's a very different product for Arri, their first low-cost item for high volume shipping. And still with Arri quality of design and build. We'll let you know more when we know more.

Also the little single-sided follow focus is also new. Really sweet and adjustable. Not to be overlooked and it will be in the same price range as the mattebox.
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I'd be intrseted in this mattebox, but only if it was a swingaway. And both the mattebox and FF fit 19mm rods.
 
Mitch Gross said:
For those who are curious, here's a photo of the Arri prototype mattebox, mounted here on the front of an EX1. Arri said today that delivery would be after June and price would be below $2000, perhaps dramatically below. It's a very different product for Arri, their first low-cost item for high volume shipping. And still with Arri quality of design and build. We'll let you know more when we know more.

Also the little single-sided follow focus is also new. Really sweet and adjustable. Not to be overlooked and it will be in the same price range as the mattebox.
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I must say, it does look sweet, even so its kind of weird to see the EX1 on the Harrihead.

ciao
 
The photo on the geared head was sort of a joke -- a pretty "inside baseball" one at that. This is a small, low-cost mattebox. It will not be swing-away. It will be for mounting to lightweight 15mm rods, although one can use standard adapters for mounting to either 15mm or 19mm sliding baseplate rods. I can't recall the part number, but we'll be getting in the first run sometime next month or shortly thereafter. If we have them in time for CineGear I'll try to bring them.

Don't forget about that followfocus. A fantastic low-cost alternative. The only one that's less expensive that I know that is still worth bothering is the new Zacuto unit. Vocas has a small followfocus as well which I think is in the same price range as the Arri (can't recall -- long week). And there's always the trusty FF4 and Chrosziel units. We sell them all.

And I wonder why there hasn't been huge interest in the LMB-5. That's essentially what the prototype RED clip-on mattebox was copying. I really like it's slightly bigger brother, the LMB-15. Very sexy beast, and affordable as well.
 
I've been using the Redrock mattebox for over a week now and it is top-grade especially considering the price.

Solid contstruction, unlimited rotateable-stages from 4x4 to 6x6. It's the all purpose studio-mattebox, all it's missing IMO is a clip-on feature.
 
Not truly 6x6 though. It's 5.65 x 6". But yes, it's a total no-brainer, nothing else compares at the price point.
 
When I was at the Red booth at NAB, they said that you can fit an Arri MB20 II (138). It would be dumb of them to go 1 mm above the 138 standard.

M


ozcam said:
I believe the RED18-85 is 139mm. Redrock will fit up to 144mm. Don't know about the Petroff. Somebody correct me if these figures are wrong.

Me thinks Redrock is going to do very well out of this :detective2:
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Mark Pedersen said:
When I was at the Red booth at NAB, they said that you can fit an Arri MB20 II (138). It would be dumb of them to go 1 mm above the 138 standard.

M
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http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11852

It was discussed about a month ago. There was no definitive answer to the 139mm question from RED though, but it appears that this is the case. But as Jarred said, you'll be able to squeeze it into the Arri MB20.
 
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