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"RED is Dead baby... RED is DEAD" or Chronicle of immature technology

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I'm very sorry to hear this but:

1. Negative insurance was, is and will be a no-brainer. It's less than 3.5% of the budget.

2. Back up data whenever possible.

3. RedRaid is not an option unless you are willing to take the well known risks of harddisks. In my laptops 3 harddisks died in the last last 8 years. I learned it the hard way. I just ordered another 10 CF cards.

The codec-error is annoying. It's Red business to solve this. Everything else is the business of the filmproduction.

Hopefully your footage will be restored.

And in any case: If you feel more comfortable with 35mm, shoot 35mm.

Hans
 
In the early computer-days there used to be the saying: "... there are two types of computer-users: those who once already lost all their data and those who still will loose all there data some day in the future....".

When I wrote this words about a year ago on this forum somebody replied saying that I must have a very bad hard-drive karma because he never lost data....
 
Addie, don't panic.

If you checked the footage after the shot on the camera and you were able to play it back, it mean that data is there.
I just wary that the outfit you sent the disk for recovery to, may write something to the hard disk and screw things up. Contact RED and they will be able to advise you on this one.

One byte mismatch when initializing volume from not a compatible SATA controller driver and partition table descriptor is gone. Good recovery shop will fix it in 10 minutes.
It is what it sound like, what happened to you.

It happened to me once, we used some no brand clone computer with no brand clone SATA controller.
We did kill the partition just by mounting drive once.

Well, don't try to save on the hardware buying some clone or having operating system patch up with multi boot partitions done by someone that wants to have it all on one computer.

As to support, RED has the best support I ever experienced in my 30 years carrier, if you think otherwise call your legacy local telephone company for support and compare.
 
I sorry to inform you, but maybe you didn't even have a problem at all until now.

Sometime the RED RAID does not like your incompatible 1394 "FireWire" cable, and if you jump the gun you could damage the drive.

If this happen to some one else please try a different cable first.

Sorry to say it again, but you should have done copies of the drive(s).

Then you should have back up your back up.

I did it on set last week all by myself as a DIT/Data manager.

Tek

P. S. RED has the best supports for a camera company on this earth, and I mean on this earth for real. One of our RED-ONE had a problem in Vietnam and RED send a replacement right away. I am speaking from experience here.

RED is alive and well, and you can quote me any day. Dan Duran even stayed after hours so I could get my parts one time.
 
gunleik said:
Cinemano, this is not what addie or Fredrik is refering to. If you rent from Panavision, you could probably have a support man on set pretty quick, and you wouldn't have to wait for Stuart to show up here.
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And Panavision is a rental house who just happens to make camera gear also. For what you spend with them you better get good support.

From the guy's post, it sounds like he didn't properly prep and understand the technology before he shot with it. It's just a big no no to go into a shoot without understanding the camera you are using (or any other gear also!)

Matthew
 
Use the service of a DIT or buy more CF that you can.

For all my respect to people you buy this camera, i find it very "edgy" to offer professionnal service with only 1 Red camera. Those person who get some trouble on set (with no red for backup for exemple) bring more damage to me and burn the name of "Red" on the market.

Please, if you have only one Red, do something to have a security backup body (from a friend or small renting house).

thanks
 
You Don't Read Between The Lines And The Lines.

You Don't Read Between The Lines And The Lines.

Guys, You Don't Read Between The Lines And The Lines.
What Adi Is Saying, And I Have Met Adi During His Shot In The Studio, And I Keep Saying It And This Is One F My Problems With Red:
Why Did You Get Out An Immature Camera.
When A Producer, A Dp And Even The Camera Assistant Go Out For A Shoot They Want To Have A Tool That Work, Not Maybe Work, Not Vanishing Data, But Knowing It Works.
True Even With Films And Hd On Tapes There Is No 100% Guarantee That The Info You Film Is Ok, But We Have Very Little Problems With This Because Most, Like 99.99% Of The Materials Are Fine And Useable.
No Producer Will Risk It.
I Am Sure There Are Ways To Overcome All This But I Don't Think Red Is Confronting Them, What Kind Of A Solution Is "... Send The Drive To Red..."???!!!???
Are You Joking Me?
 
Posts like this get me wondering...

Who supplied the camera, media, accessories? Was there no RED-savvy support tech on hand? No proper instruction or even just a crash-course?

Maybe I'm the paranoid type, but I would never jump onto a professional set as DP without being familiarized with the equipment I will be using. To do so would be suicide.
 
Self pity is addictive for those afflicted by the Persecution-Complex. You are not a victim despite the comfort that role would furnish you.

Can you see now how you brought this upon yourself?

Can you see how reactionary "Red is Dead" is?

Have you learned anything from this experience at all?

I feel your pain about the loss, ... but,

Next time around if you are willing to take responcibility for your actions that cause the results you claim not to want, you can insure that it "Never happens again".

In This Case;

Its not Red, Its you = Idiot.


DogDay




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gdv said:
Why Did You Get Out An Immature Camera.
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Make the camera idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.
 
gdv said:
Guys, You Don't Read Between The Lines And The Lines.
What Adi Is Saying, And I Have Met Adi During His Shot In The Studio, And I Keep Saying It And This Is One F My Problems With Red:
Why Did You Get Out An Immature Camera.
When A Producer, A Dp And Even The Camera Assistant Go Out For A Shoot They Want To Have A Tool That Work, Not Maybe Work, Not Vanishing Data, But Knowing It Works.
True Even With Films And Hd On Tapes There Is No 100% Guarantee That The Info You Film Is Ok, But We Have Very Little Problems With This Because Most, Like 99.99% Of The Materials Are Fine And Useable.
No Producer Will Risk It.
I Am Sure There Are Ways To Overcome All This But I Don't Think Red Is Confronting Them, What Kind Of A Solution Is "... Send The Drive To Red..."???!!!???
Are You Joking Me?
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Why don't you simply accept the elementary fact that a computer can lose data and if you do not care about that because of a very ignorant and uncultured approach then you are just fu...ed? This is the simplest ad most elementar basics of information technology and has nothing to do with "immaturity of a product". In other words, if you would have taken your laptop and dropped it into a lake and then wondered that your data is lost, then you would have used the same level of "smartness" like your DP who didn't care about a back-up of the RED data.
 
Here I am on set, we just finished the first scenes at 120fps, the Drive has just come of the camera, replaced by another (so they can keep shooting)... now I am checking, double checking and backing up to two disks, and reading this post, shaking my head...

Sorry about the loss, but like so many others on here I have a hard time comrehending how a shoot of that size could go on for a day, without any backup.
 
RED CF cards and HD's *can* and *should* be backed up on set.

RED CF cards and HD's *can* and *should* be backed up on set.

Ever have film get ruined by the lab?

*CAN* you back up film...?...minutes after you shoot...?


A few minutes to backup RED footage=priceless.
 
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