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ChrisLyon

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Have you seen these guys try to wield an IMAX camera in the shuttle? It's silly at best. When can we get RED in space? It's the first of it's kind. RED should go to the moon when we get around to that again.

We haven't ever seen great coverage from space consistently. The cameras these people have been sending up since 1999 have been CCD 1080i Sony cams and for whatever reason, they break in space easily. Solar radiation acting on the sensor or summit. Now that I have HDTV and a great TV, I want NASA and SPACE as my every channel- like the music channel you flip to when there's nothing on.

I just recently got to attend a screening of In the Shadow of the Moon which had old NASA film reels rescanned and remastered in HD for the first time in the history of the footage and I about pissed myself. Oh my god it was so beautiful...
 
My girlfriend works as a producer at NASA and she's applying to be an astronaut. :love:
So... you never know.
 
macgregor said:
I wonder if the gamma rays could damage my sensor once i am up there shooting. Can anyone in red answer me this question?
Thanks
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This is important not only for space, but also for flight planes in long distance.
I had a problem with a F900 due to the cosmic rays (sounds silly, but this was sony's explanation!) travelling from spain to argentina. I checked the camera before leaving and everything was OK, but when I was in argentina, some pixels were dead, and I had a recommendation from sony to not make intercontinental flights with this kind of cameras.

Also, I heard that panavision had a simillar problems when they shipped the panavision genesis to australia for "Superman returns" (Disclaimer: this can be WRONG, it's just something I've been told, but not confirmed)
 
I'm pretty sure you have to go through a lot of hoops to get tech approved to be allowed onto the shuttle. (certification etc). At least that's what I've heard. Everything has to be tested and triple tested to ensure it doesn't go haywire and kill everybody somehow.

I wouldn't expect it to happen immediately but it's not a bad idea for the future.
 
polispol said:
This is important not only for space, but also for flight planes in long distance.
I had a problem with a F900 due to the cosmic rays (sounds silly, but this was sony's explanation!) travelling from spain to argentina. I checked the camera before leaving and everything was OK, but when I was in argentina, some pixels were dead, and I had a recommendation from sony to not make intercontinental flights with this kind of cameras.

Also, I heard that panavision had a simillar problems when they shipped the panavision genesis to australia for "Superman returns" (Disclaimer: this can be WRONG, it's just something I've been told, but not confirmed)
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Do you mean using the camera during a flight, or the simple fact that the camera has flown? Wouldn't this be a huge problem for everyone?
 
A bit off topic, but in doing research for a immersive dome project on Apollo, I've been looking through the hundreds of scans from the raw pictures taken for each mission...

http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html

Simply put, no other media or material I've seen on this amazing journey has touched me so. What comes across more than anything, for me, is the frail nature of the Lunar Lander.

To think that two humans could live and work in such a vulnerable space for a period of time with quick death inches from their faces at all times and be so impossibly far from home...
 
Jim I couldn't agree more with the humbling, incredibly touching stories and imagery of the space missions.

Several years ago, at a Ted conference, I saw Story Mustgrave show slides he took from various shuttle missions. He had been on more shuttle missions than anyone, I believe, and his "hobby" was taking pictures from space.

Amazing passion, and even more amazing pictures. To think this man saw, with his own eyes, views only a handful of people will ever see in their lifetime. He could look out the window, and cover the entire earth with his thumb--a simple childish feat that few in history can claim.

And any picture we've ever seen from space, no matter how fantastic, is only a 2D, flat, crop of the 4D, boundless images he witnessed with his own eyes. Hell, factor in the shakes and smells and sounds of the shuttle and it's approaching a 7D experience.

He said things like "...for years I was trying to get this particular picture of the tip of Africa and I finally was able to get it on the last mission..." just brings tears to your eyes as to what this man experienced in his lifetime.

I guess we should start with a 4K launch and work our way up to a 4K moon walk!
 
Jim Arthurs said:
A bit off topic, but in doing research for a immersive dome project on Apollo, I've been looking through the hundreds of scans from the raw pictures taken for each mission...

http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html

Simply put, no other media or material I've seen on this amazing journey has touched me so. What comes across more than anything, for me, is the frail nature of the Lunar Lander.

To think that two humans could live and work in such a vulnerable space for a period of time with quick death inches from their faces at all times and be so impossibly far from home...
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Dude, you just completely redirected my evening plans with that link. What the hell, man!
Seriously, I highly encourage everybody to check out this gallery. I got sucked in for 2 hours. Most of these pictures are absolutely stunning. Thanks, Jim
 
Glad you guys liked them... no voice over, no script... just raw image after raw image somehow telling a more "human" story than any documentary could do.

...and the vast majority of those are pictures NOT in the general rotation we've seen over and over.

I put together a quick pano from a series of snaps from either Apollo 16 or 17...

http://ftp.datausa.com/imageshoppe/outgoing/APOLLO/APOLLO16_pano.jpg

And one of my personal favorites, for detail and showing off the lander and its shocking fragility...

http://ftp.datausa.com/imageshoppe/outgoing/APOLLO/AS16-113-18331HR.jpg
 
Gamma Rays and Cosmic Rays are two entirely different things. Gamma Rays are extremely short wavelength X-Rays, which are just extremely short wavelength light (which is extremely short wavelength radio waves).

You are very unlikley to encounter Gamma Rays anywhere but near radioactive materials like Radium or Cobalt 60. The radiation produced is used for sterilizing medical equipment and treating cancerous tumors.

Cosmic Rays are the nuceli of atoms that crash into the Earth's upper atmosphere at enormous speeds and get most of their electrons stripped off. Because of the enormous speed they travel at, even a single nucleus can damage a transistor or photosite in a CCD or CMOS sensor.

Although cosmic rays sometimes reach the ground, most of them are absorbed by the lower 3 miles of the Earth's atmosphere. What are detected at ground level are usually the third or fourth generation collision products of the original atomic nucleus hitting oxygen or nitrogen atoms on their way down.

Once you get into the stratosphere, you get hit by a lot more cosmic rays. Astronauts have to become used to the "sparklies" when they close their eyes, caused by cosmic rays hitting the back of their retina.
 
One of the big issues is radiation damage. Apparently CMOS sensors are less susceptible (I'm not sure what the story is there).

Dead pixel correction will hide errors until there is simply so much radiation damage that there are way too many dead pixels.

Weight (and simplicity) are also issues. The weight of everything sent into space is measured... the bill for sending up a HD camera + broadcasting equipment is six figures.

2- HD equipment can be used in live broadcasts. (Which film can't.)
Example:
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006/nov/HQ_M06176_HDTV.htmlq
 
Looks like NASA might have already chosen their 4k system:
From http://www.auburn.edu/research/vpr/sri/rpcs.htm

"Super Video to Advance Space Science and Medicine

A highly advanced, digital alternative to 35mm motion picture cameras is being developed by the Imaging Technology Space Center at Florida Atlantic University, with support from NASA, ONR and Panavision - the world leader in camera systems for the motion picture industry.
The new camera, called HDMAX has eight times the resolution of HDTV cameras. No other camera in the world matches these specifications, and astronauts will use this system for scientific and safety applications on the International Space Station in 2006. Future versions of this camera will also have applications in telemedicine for sick and injured people in space as well as in remote locations around the world."
 
Seeing as how it is a government special requisition it should be delivered five years late and twenty million dollars over budget to deliver three cameras. At which point the Red Pro Pocket Camera would be more capable at 0.75% of the cost.
 
Clint Johnson said:
Seeing as how it is a government special requisition it should be delivered five years late and twenty million dollars over budget to deliver three cameras. At which point the Red Pro Pocket Camera would be more capable at 0.75% of the cost.
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:biggrin:
 
Clint Johnson said:
Seeing as how it is a government special requisition it should be delivered five years late and twenty million dollars over budget to deliver three cameras. At which point the Red Pro Pocket Camera would be more capable at 0.75% of the cost.
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:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
 
check this
http://www.apple.com/trailers/thinkfilm/intheshadowofthemoon/hd/

finally that amazing old footage in HD


Wroum wroum .... and I dont forget to download this awesome sequence of how John W. Young rippin Moon surface during the Apollo 16 mission, April, 1972! My alltime favorit one. Probably shot on 16mm Maurer motion picture camera.
Do you know that wheels are weaven from piano strings? :w00t:
http://www.ssontech.com/pub/Apollo.zip

rover.jpg
 
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