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Tim Duran

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Last week I was fortunate to be able to listen in on a group of guys, two were well known Reduser contributors, shoot the s. about Red, ARRI and other contemporary film making issues. A thought that came up was that most Red owners are too caught up on 4.5K+, not realizing that so many shoots need to be reduced to 1080 p that Red with 2-3K output is just fine for most folks. Thoughts?

(What do you lose, if anything, shooting 2K with an MX upgrade?)

Another thread in the conversation was that producers and DP's are beginning to push back on 3-D; that the added costs could go into production values and talent. With some producer blood in me, I like the idea of 3-D, but primarily from an anti-theft of copyright POV, not artistic. What do you people hear?

There were a lot of interesting comments, but one that would be of general interest to Reduser readers is that there has to be a shakeout coming in the zoom market (if not all lens makers--Matt excluded or course). Prices have to come down, weight needs to come down and/or any number of variables. At Cinegear Angenieux told me that they had some new products coming out soon. I hope you folks can add to this potentially important discussion.
 
shooting 2k on RED is not ment for principal photography your not down scaling your using less of the sensor thus having less of what makes the RED such a great camera. Also they need to buy new lenses because if your just going to shoot 2k then you would not want use 35mm glass you would use 16mm glass. Also you shoot 4k no matter what so that your 1080p footage looks amazing and better than if using a camera that only captures 1080p. Just because your final output is 1080 or below does not mean you should shoot at 1080 or every commercial on tv or movie put to dvd would be shot on a handy cam
 
If your deliverable is 1080p, shoot 4K HD i.e. 3840 x 2160

Stuart, I think this mode is still often overlooked. It achieves a lot of bang for the buck for a lot of productions finishing for broadcast and web. It's the perfect oversampling mode. And some advantages in post over 4K 16:9 mode.
 
I think a lot of people still think they should always shoot 16:9 for 1080 delivery.

They don't realize that 4K HD IS 16:9 ... but with the added mathematical benefit of being able to perfectly scale down to 1080 for most NLE systems.

A couple shoots ago, I even had to explain this to an editor at a top NYC post house.
 
I think a lot of people still think they should always shoot 16:9 for 1080 delivery.

They don't realize that 4K HD IS 16:9 ... but with the added mathematical benefit of being able to perfectly scale down to 1080 for most NLE systems.

A couple shoots ago, I even had to explain this to an editor at a top NYC post house.

Yes, the 16:9 thing is easily confused. A lot my commercial clients have been very happy with the 4K HD mode.
 
Maybe rename all to include their aspect ratios.

Keep in mind if you shoot 4k HD that for real wide angles you might want to use the full sensor.
 
It would really be a successfull attempt to shoot RED in the knee to make people shoot any 2k mode as their primary resolution. Downsampled from any of the 3k/4k modes looks just sooo much better @ 1080/2k...
 
I seem to be shooting nothing but 4K HD because everything is turned into 1080 16:9. I think my cam has been set to that for over a year now with no change.

But then when I need some high speed, I go 3k or 2k . . .
 
Maybe 4K HD should be labeled "4K HD 16:9"?

...Or call it "Quad HD" since that is what everyone else who is using that exact resolution is calling it. 4K HD is confusing to many. I don't see a need to include an aspect ratio in the name. "HD" should imply 16:9 aspect... Or at least one would think it would.
 
I agree that 2K doesn't give enough resolution to finish in HD well. I shoot 4K 16:9 or 4K HD and only go to 3K if I need the higher frame rate. I have been assuming that even though 3K doesn't use the whole sensor, in theory it should give as much sharpness as 4K when finished in HD.

Regarding S3D, I haven't heard anything about a pushback, but would like to know what others are hearing.

Phil
 
Really - why would I want to crop all my lenses? This is really silly.

Only use 2K for slo-mo.
 
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