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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

RED image and sound

GlennChan said:
By adding effects to the track, I mean the entire track and not individual clips.
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Although you can't do that, you can of course nest the whole sequence. Sometimes if I'm feeling lazy (don't tell my clients) or for making viewing copies of an un-finished programme, I drop the whole sequence into another timeline and add a compressor and a broadcast safe filter. Creating a sequence with more than two audio outputs then nesting it is also a simple, if slightly cumbersome, way of making audio sub-mixes within FCP.
 
Neat trick, didn't think of that.
 
Yeah total respect to the RED team, (usual caveats to this post apply). But reduser has been a little information-light about sound. If we have four inputs! Then presumably the sound solution is a professional one - ie professional preamps, professional monitoring options, blah blah. I mentioned this at the end of another thread and was ignored (not for the first time, :waaa: ) Hee hee:biggrin: But I'd love to hear some info from the team about exactly how the sound will be managed. For example: where are the four faders on the camera body to adjust the sound level? It's a pretty basic question:huh:
Anyway we all know that they are heroically busy at the moment trying to save our filmmaking asses from HDV oblivion, but perhaps when the dust has settled we'll get some clear guidance from the RED team about sound:help:
 
fergus said:
For example: where are the four faders on the camera body to adjust the sound level?
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The last I read was that they are menu items. Perhaps you'll be able to program buttons to increase/decrease levels. Yeah - I think it a "design whoops" but maybe I'll be proven wrong when I actually use it.

Also - you should have full control of audio levels via a laptop. If you could control that via wireless then you'd have a pretty slick mixer solution in camera.
 
joelnet said:
Also - you should have full control of audio levels via a laptop. If you could control that via wireless then you'd have a pretty slick mixer solution in camera.
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But, there´s a missunderstanding: You dont "mix" during acquisition unless you are recording an orchestra to stereo. You set your gains and thats all you do in this regard. The rest is getting the right mike in the right place and direction.

Jochen
 
I agree that menu driven audio gain control is less flexible than 'real' pots, but I really don't see it as being much of an issue for the kind of shoots RED is likely to be used on. I know the EFP/ENG folks may bite my head off for saying this, but every professional shoot I've ever been on where sync sound was needed had a dedicated sound recordist with a mixer. In this situation, the camera's audio gain only needs to be set up once to tone from the mixer, and so doing this with a menu would not be hard.
 
Josch said:
But, there´s a missunderstanding: You dont "mix" during acquisition unless you are recording an orchestra to stereo. You set your gains and thats all you do in this regard. The rest is getting the right mike in the right place and direction.
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Well - mixing is not what I meant - I mean some recordists will ride the levels in highly variable sound situations... like they know the actress is going to whisper/whimper and then scream. (horror movie anyone?).

Also - if you're moving setups quickly you could be adjusting those sound levels quite a bit over the course of a day (week etc.) - so anything that makes the workflow faster adds up.

Scott Billups' (digital pioneer) book "Digital Filmmaking" makes a very good argument for why recording sound back to the camera is preferable if at all possible. With RED's uncompressed audio recording ability I know I'll be taking Scott's advice every chance I can. If I've got 4 microphones out there it sure would be nice to see levels and knobs in the same place and time.

If I've got more than 4 mics... well, I'm gonna get a second RED of course!! Actually a friend of mine has a semi-portable 16 track hard drive recorder we use to record live bands.
 
Yeah man this is a real mistake on RED's part. It's totally understandable: they are making a revolutionary CAMERA not an audio recording device. But There is little point in having 4 mic level inputs recording uncompressed 24bit, if you can't ride the faders just a little bit! An example: if I'm filming and recording audio to the camera, and I'm following my subject around their world and we travel from one acoustic environment to another I need to be able to reach round with my hand while I'm filming (eye to the evf) and change the audio levels. It's not Rocket Science.. Otherwise, cool, REDcam is like a film camera, maybe recording guide sound to help the editor sync the sound being independently recorded.
Respect. But lets not pretend that as things stand REDcam seems to have a much less useful audio setup than your average HDV camcorder..
I say "seems" because I respect the RED team and am ready to be astonished by how user-friendly changing the audio levels for four mikes in the camera menu system, (whilst filming) can be :weight_lift:
 
Riding Audio Levels

Riding Audio Levels

Just catching up on the posts.

This audio levels question has been answered before .. of course you can do that.

There are menus to control audio level of course, but those map to a physical input device - primarily the joysticick, or you can assign individuals channels to other physical controls on the camera body, or to a SuperGrip. Via USB or wireless there is the possibility of other physical expressions for multi-channel audio level control.

The other comment I would offer is a 24 bit 48KHz audio recording has WAY more dynamic range than your normal 16 bit 48KHz recording, just as 12 bit RAW has WAY more dynamic range than 8 bits 4:2:2 video recording.
 
Brilliant Stuart,

It does still seem a bit funny..
But - respect - I'll wait until I've got the thing in my hands (hopefully soon eh :gun: )

Presumably we'll get audio level info in the evf..
 
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