Red and Live earth

[Steve Gibby]

Very well said Keith...

 

[Keith Nealy]

Are we part of the solution or part of the problem?

Are we part of the solution or part of the problem?

Curran, I hope more filmmakers are thinking the way you are.

I am writing similar type scripts and have done so in the past.

Artbeatsart and Kalone: I know things look futile and expecting this crowd to make a difference is farfetched but change will happen where you least expect it. And speaking of Darwinism, man will adapt when external forces necessate it. It's whether he can do it in time to save the species is the question.

My son and two of his girlfriends were the validictorian, saluditorian, and the smartest kids in their school this past graduation. They could write their own ticket to a commercial future but instead have chosen a carreer path to make a difference.

It will happen in small ways and I think it will be the youth that will rise up and take on this challenge. After all - this is the world they will have to raise their children in. I am absolutely amazed at the changes I have seen my son go through in this last year - I would have never predicted this.

I think we - as communicators - need to stimulate more kids to take charge of this situation - they're a clean slate - they are not tied to special interest groups - they don't have the soullless priorities of a greedy corporation - they are not functioning in a corrupt government.

It is we - who make the movies - the stuff they fill their lives with - that can make a difference by chosing the topics that stimulate their thinking.

The movie business has been guilty of filling the minds of our youth with violence, greed and horror and filling their pockets with cash at the expense of our greatest natural resource - our kids.

And their excuse it "We are just giving the public what they want"
They know movies are like a drug addiction which is why they have to get more exciting each year - to feed the craving they created.


It's time we take the movie business back from the corporations and start producing some material that will create a more responsible future.

We have more power and control than we think.

Look at the ripple effect from Michael Moore's films. You may not agree with him but he has opened peoples eyes to the lies we have been told.

Are we part of the solution or part of the problem?


aloha,

Keith

 

[Steve Gibby]

Ditto...

 

[Mark Allen]

I've read an article, where an analysis company has computed the amount of CO2 that had been produced in this giantic music promotion campaign. They've estimated in excess of 100.000 tons of CO2. And I really doubt that it was worth all that effort.

That's assuming all those people would have just been sitting in a dark room all day instead of being involved with the concert.

Closer to reality - all those people - the audience and the performers would probably have been doing exactly the same thing - playing some concert or going to some concert anyway - because that's what these people do.

So I would say that basically it's probably a wash with the side benefit of people talking about that we have a problem (like we are right now). The point of raising awareness is to shift what is acceptable. When enough of people decide things are not acceptable, things change.

 

[Fix]

Keith I didn't feel you trivialized my point, but maybe misunderstood. Anyways, thats in the past now. The things you have been saying here really shows what kind of respectful and open minded fellow you are. I really hope there is many others alike.

Things will change in the next decade, and we will be part of it. So my words to you and to the rest of us would be. Lets make some good s*** with RED ONE that really make a difference :tongue:

 

[Obin Olson]

Could be that millions of people slept better after the pathetism of yesterdays Live Earth happening arround the globe. But the darwinism power of each individual is still much stronger than any global idea to save the world. I'm not shure if Al Gores catechism lasts longer than any other world saving idea in the past. Good, that we speak about it, that gives us the feeling to be a part of ... what exactly?

If nothing else it should, in my mind get you to go to the internet and START LOOKING at things YOU can do. the options are abundant and all over the web, thing is, most of us are to lazy,poor, don't care to do ANY of it...I for one have been waiting and waiting and waiting for batteries to come down in price and go up in performance for an electric car. I will buy that when it's out. I will buy solar cells when they are cheaper then an entire RED camera setup for my house. I use Compact florescent bulbs. I do what I can with what I have. Most don't, and that is the issue. Maybe, just maybe Live Earth will WAKE UP some of the folks around the world. I sure hope it did and does.

 

[Yash Keough]

Why not speak to various big name talent and show them how RED is better environmentally and have them agree only to be on films that use RED to save the environment! I'm sure tons would sign up.

 

[Priyesh P.]

Curran, I hope more filmmakers are thinking the way you are.

I am writing similar type scripts and have done so in the past.

Artbeatsart and Kalone: I know things look futile and expecting this crowd to make a difference is farfetched but change will happen where you least expect it. And speaking of Darwinism, man will adapt when external forces necessate it. It's whether he can do it in time to save the species is the question.

My son and two of his girlfriends were the validictorian, saluditorian, and the smartest kids in their school this past graduation. They could write their own ticket to a commercial future but instead have chosen a carreer path to make a difference.

It will happen in small ways and I think it will be the youth that will rise up and take on this challenge. After all - this is the world they will have to raise their children in. I am absolutely amazed at the changes I have seen my son go through in this last year - I would have never predicted this.

I think we - as communicators - need to stimulate more kids to take charge of this situation - they're a clean slate - they are not tied to special interest groups - they don't have the soullless priorities of a greedy corporation - they are not functioning in a corrupt government.

It is we - who make the movies - the stuff they fill their lives with - that can make a difference by chosing the topics that stimulate their thinking.

The movie business has been guilty of filling the minds of our youth with violence, greed and horror and filling their pockets with cash at the expense of our greatest natural resource - our kids.

And their excuse it "We are just giving the public what they want"
They know movies are like a drug addiction which is why they have to get more exciting each year - to feed the craving they created.


It's time we take the movie business back from the corporations and start producing some material that will create a more responsible future.

We have more power and control than we think.

Look at the ripple effect from Michael Moore's films. You may not agree with him but he has opened peoples eyes to the lies we have been told.

Are we part of the solution or part of the problem?


aloha,

Keith

Hi Keith,

Thanks for the positive words,
(and I mean it).

 

[Alex Boothby]

Soon people will begin to find out about the "Peak Oil Crisis". It has been kept a secret by the world's "powers that be" that and will begin to change this planet in as little as ten years.

In a decade or two this will make global warming look like a day at the beach.

Keith, I also appreciate your thoughtful posts and concerned views but I thought I would share a word of caution regarding Peak Oil.

I spent nearly two years studying Peak Oil and became a bit of a groupie. Out of concern I tried to help and ended up shooting documentaries and seminars by such Peak Oil luminaries as Richard Heinberg, Mike Ruppert and Colin Campbell . I travelled and payed my own air fare, donated camera equipment and post services and money (more than I could afford).

So it came as a bit of a shock to me when I gradually discovered that Peak Oil was a lie, which is what I now believe it to be. Based of shoddy facts, cooked books and a big dose of propaganda and fear mongering, the Peak Oil legend comes directly from big oil (namely Royal Dutch Shell, Exxon and others) as a way to justify jacking up the price of oil by controlling and restricting the supply. If that sounds outlandish to you then please look at the behavior of the oil industry in the aftermath of Katrina. There was no oil shortage, yet they took that opportunity to fleece desperate people for every penny. This article is instructive:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ed...articles/2005/09/02/big_oils_bigtime_looting/

If you look into it you will probably discover that:

- The Peak Oil mantra comes directly from oil industry insiders.
- Dr. M. King Hubbert (the grandfather of modern Peak Oil theory) worked at the Shell Oil research laboratory and was a member of the Malthusian and ultra exclusive Club of Rome, along with such oil-rich types as David Rockefeller and Averell Harriman.
- The main Peak Oil organ ASPO (Association for the Study of Peak Oil) has Associate members like Halliburton and financial sponsors like Schlumberger and Thyssen group (Thyssen was Hitler's financier). ASPO includes Colin Campbell and Mathew Simmons.

- Peak Oil spokesmen actively discourage the viability of any and all energy alternatives ("don't even bother with wind, solar, hydrogen, ethanol, whatever - they won't work")
- Instead their answer is population reduction (which generally means the third and developing worlds).
- "The world is running out of oil" has been decried roughly every 25 years, dating back to the 1920s!
- The 1972-1973 oil shocks and accompanying oil "shortage" was a completely contrived affair (with Henry Kissinger playing a key role)
- Today world oil reserves have never been higher
- In 2004 Saudi oil officials revealed that their oil reserves had more than tripled to 1.2 trillion barrels (a conservative estimate)
- 500 billion barrels of oil just discovered in The Gulf of Mexico.
- Both numbers bested by recent finds in Russia.
- The US has not built an oil refinery since the 1970s (they don't want plentiful oil)
- extremely profitable refineries have been closed down such as the Shell oil refinery in Bakersfield, California
- Here's a link to memos by Mobil, Texaco and Chevron outlining an agenda to reduce refining capacity: http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/energy/fs/
Chevron memo states: "A senior energy analyst at the recent API (American Petroleum Institute) convention warned that if the US petroleum industry doesn't reduce its refining capacity it will never see any substantial increase in refinery margins." This policy of supply restriction and price gouging came at the behest of the oil industry itself.

- .And... I won't even begin with abiotic oil:
http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/030573.html

Anyway, all of this just scratches the surface. I spent two years being suckered in by this fraud and then another two years unravelling it. I don't expect you to believe me but I think you would be interested by the research. The oil industry does not want cheap and abundant energy. They want to control energy, restrict it to their adversaries, and generally define the market by what it will bear. It is very sad but there are people in this world who will take advantage of well meaning and concerned citizens for there own profit. As a filmmaker I think you would appreciate the incredible power of story and myth. Wars are often based on myths and it is my opinion that oil profits can be made of myths as well.

Sorry for the bad news.

 

[Alex Boothby]

Oh, I almost forgot the best part - it turns out that dedicated Peal Oil enthusiasts can be some of the most dangerous propagandists you are likely to meet. From the beginning I was always a bit disturbed by the calls for population reduction slipped into their speeches and seminars. But it seems they are really into it.

I kept a few quotes from an essay by William Stanton published in the ASPO (Association for the Study of Peak Oil) newsletter which is edited by Dr. Colin Campbell. Sadly the entire essay seems to have been removed from their website (http://www.peakoil.ie/newsletters/588) but I'm sure I could dig it up.

So without further ado, witness deranged fear mongering like you've never quite seen it - in their own words:
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"... a global population reduction of some 6 billion people is likely to take place during the 21st Century

In Third World nations ... a Darwinian struggle for shrinking resources of all kinds will be in full swing .... The concept of human rights will be irrelevant ......in the West, the same argument will affect the thinking of militarily powerful nations ... Instantaneous nuclear elimination of population centres might even be considered merciful, compared to starvation and massacres prolonged over decades.

Probably the greatest obstacle to the scenario with the best chance of success (in my opinion) is the Western world’s unintelligent devotion to political correctness, human rights and the sanctity of human life. In the Darwinian world that preceded and will follow the fossil fuel era, these concepts were and will be meaningless.

So the population reduction scenario with the best chance of success has to be Darwinian in all its aspects, with none of the sentimentality that shrouded the second half of the 20th Century in a dense fog of political correctness ...

To those sentimentalists who ... are outraged at the proposed replacement of human rights by cold logic, I would say “You have had your day, in which your woolly thinking has messed up not just the Western world but the whole planet... You have thrown away that opportunity.”

... The scenario is: Immigration is banned. Unauthorised arrives are treated as criminals. Every woman is entitled to raise one healthy child. No religious or cultural exceptions can be made, but entitlements can be traded. Abortion or infanticide is compulsory if the fetus or baby proves to be handicapped (Darwinian selection weeds out the unfit). When, through old age, accident or disease, an individual becomes more of a burden than a benefit to society, his or her life is humanely ended. Voluntary euthanasia is legal and made easy. Imprisonment is rare, replaced by corporal punishment for lesser offences and painless capital punishment for greater.

... The punishment regime would improve social cohesiveness by weeding out criminal elements.

... military forces should be maintained strong and alert ... Collaboration with other nations practising the same population reduction scenario would be of great mutual advantage.

...Another problem is likely to be the residual opposition to population reduction from sentimentalists and/or religious extremists unable to understand that the days of plenty, when criminals and the weak could be cherished at public expense, are over. Acts of violent protest, such as are carried out today by animal rights activists and anti-abortionists, would, in the Darwinian world, attract capital punishment. Population reduction must be single-minded to succeed."

_______________

Nice huh? I wish I could make this up. Anyway, please don't believe this shit. It is promulgated by rich sickos as a means to control resource supply and get richer, while allowing them to articulate their most deranged Malthusian fantasies of eugenics and population reduction. Man that's bleak - sorry.

 

[Curran Giddens]

I don't mean to turn this into a conspiracy theory thread, but I agree with the fact that the number one priority of secret societies is population control (EDIT: and controlled population reduction). An evil secret society that uses fear mongering to control the population (think Patriot Act) is the primary villain in my movie. Conspiracy theories can make some great suspensful movies.

 

[Keith Nealy]

Thank you very much, Boothba for that informed post and taking the time to document everything for me.

I take what you say very seriously. I certainly haven't invested the amount of time and money you have, although I admit I was heading down that road. You may have saved me much time, money and heartache - so I don't consider it bad news.

I will followup on your research to confirm it for myself because too many things hang in the balance. I am very well aware of all the people and organizations you mentioned but now I have to followup on your leads about their ultimate motivations.

Many of the facts you have stated have been rebutted and I have seen them turned around to support the peak oil theory - so it gets very confusing.

What is getting scary lately is the power and sophistication of dissinformation on just about any topic and how it is getting impossible to know what to believe without the kind of dedication and passion you have exhibited on this.

So is it bad news? Well in terms of the world, if you're right, it's good news. In terms of my goals, after I confirm your findings I can then move on and focus on other more pressing issues.

I would like to continue our dialogue off-line and benefit from your research if you would be kind enough to share it with me? My email is keithn at aloha dot net.

Thank you for this information. You have just given me another task to corrorborate your findings and compare them against my research. In truth, I hope you are right because the reality of peak oil is just too devastating to imagine.

aloha,

Keith

 

[Keith Nealy]

Thanks for this addition - but in all fairness - especially for the people reading this who haven't a clue what we are talking about - the "population reduction" he is talking about, i believe, is an after the fact solution in the peak oil scenario to the growing problem of world-wide starvation.

If in fact, world-wide starvation occurs due to lack of fertilizers, pesticides (petroleum deratives) and oil to run farm machinery then the world will be in a world of hurt trying to cope with the situation with old humanitarian values.

Historically, for ten thousand years, populations could only grow if they were supported by abundant food. The advent of petroleum based farming let the population grow exponentially to where it is today. Take away that capacity to artifically boost natures capabilities and the populations will naturally die off. As you know, in the peak oil scenario, people predict a two billion person die off.

I admit the letter you submit is radical thinking but the future reality may promulgate such raqdical theories as viable solutions.

I do not believe this was ever put forth as a pre- disaster solution to head off the mass starvation that would occur.

As a Vietnam Vet the concept of "acceptable casualties" and collaterial damage" is not new to me and represents a rather inhumane way of thinking but one that may be necessay when balanced out with the good of the whole.

It's an ugly subject where people who come up with logiocal but inhumane solutions always get painted as the bad guy.

There are no really humanely acceptable answers in a crisis such as we are talking about.

 

[Curran Giddens]

What is getting scary lately is the power and sophistication of dissinformation on just about any topic and how it is getting impossible to know what to believe without the kind of dedication and passion you have exhibited on this.

Dissinformation is the problem with so many conspiracy theories. People hear too many of them that are so outlandish that they start to disbelieve any of them. I, for one, don't believe in UFO's. Nor do I believe in any other planet capable of sustaining human life. I know there is a mind-boggling number of other stars in the universe, even so, the probability of another earth-like planet even remotely close enough to ours is zero IMHO. Earth is the only one and we need to do whatever we can to preserve it.

Just think for a minute how many different things had to happen exactly the way it did for us to even exist. We needed the right size planet the perfect distance from the sun, with a moon the right distance from the planet, with the right size comets hitting the planet at exactly the right time in its formation, and so on....

 

[Kenn Christenson]

An evil secret society that uses fear mongering to control the population (think Patriot Act) is the primary villain in my movie. Conspiracy theories can make some great suspensful movies.

I'm working on a movie about a politician who's risen to power precisely through the use of fear (and Hollywood) to control the population. I call it the "Al Gore Story." Talk about a conspiracy!

 

[Keith Nealy]

Curran, I tend to agree with you on that one. Especially since the people involved in the space industry need as much help as they can get to keep funding their research. On the Big Island, here in Hawaii, we are one of the centers of the astronomy world with all the most important observatories. I do a lot of productions for them and I see it all the time. Sometimes I wonder why so much money is being spent on studying stars when we have so many pressing problems right here on earth.

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The conspiracy theory that has me the most troubled revolves around 9/11.
And what has me even more perplexed is the recent disinformation that has been put forthe to combat these theories.

It is getting so sophisticated I think most people will just give up trying to find the truth.

When that happens, we can finally kiss America goodbye.

As someone who fought in Vietnam and witnessed the corruption of the war, the lack of decisivness for victory, the lying of President Nixon on a daily basis of the truth of what was really happening - I lost my innocence in believing that America always did the right thing and that the interests of its people were formost in its actions.

Vietnam was a money-making business decision as is Iraq.

But don't get me started on this...

But I will say that the true facts surrounding 9/11 may well be the most important in the history of a once great nation.

And I'm sure "Executive Priveledge" will prevent us from learning any real truth.

 

[Curran Giddens]

Vietnam was a money-making business decision as is Iraq.

But don't get me started on this...

But I will say that the true facts surrounding 9/11 may well be the most important in the history of a once great nation.

Sorry to get started on this...

I have to agree with you on the importance of the 9/11 and the money-making business decision of going to war with Iraq. You only need to look at who profits the most. Hmm... there will be no-bid contracts available? I wonder who will get those?
Duh! Within a day of Halliburton receiving those contracts their stock doubled in price. Of course we all know Dick Cheney still has a large stake in Halliburton as the ex CEO.

One of the founders of the American space program, Jack Parsons (Jet Propulsion Laboratory), was a satan-worshipping member of a secret society. Other members were ex Nazi scientists....

Thats enough for now....


EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons

 

[Priyesh P.]

Sorry to get started on this...

I have to agree with you on the importance of the 9/11 and the money-making business decision of going to war with Iraq. You only need to look at who profits the most. Hmm... there will be no-bid contracts available? I wonder who will get those?
Duh! Within a day of Halliburton receiving those contracts their stock doubled in price. Of course we all know Dick Cheney still has a large stake in Halliburton as the ex CEO.

One of the founders of the American space program, Jack Parsons (Jet Propulsion Laboratory), was a satan-worshipping member of a secret society. Other members were ex Nazi scientists....

Thats enough for now....


EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons

What a strange coincidence that the man received the very perfect name for him : DICK...

One of the nazi-guys you're talkin about was Wernher von Braun. It's still a miracle to me how guys like that could be integrated into the NASA system.

 

[Keith Nealy]

Thanks Curran.

I know, these are subjects that need to be explored and exposed.

BTW, I went to your website a while back and really like the puppet work you are doing. When I had my studio in NYC I used to work with Jim Henson's puppeteers on many prioductions. When my new site gets put up, you'll be able to see some clips from them.

This forum is so great because of the international collection of concerned filmmakers that reside here. It gives me hope that we can mount an opposition to all the disinformation by producing responsible films that have positive and productive messages that can actually create change in the world.

Long live the RED revolution!! Ok I'm done. (stepping down off soapbox)

cut to :commercial


aloha,

Keith

 

[Kenn Christenson]

One of the nazi-guys you're talkin about was Wernher von Braun. It's still a miracle to me how guys like that could be integrated into the NASA system.

Oh, I don't know, lots of people wear shirts with the face of a certain "revolutionary" who liked to blow the brains out of people who disagreed with his "revolutionary" philosophy. :sad: