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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Red and Flame

Thanks

Thanks

kai said:
Yeah you're not going to find these systems on some file sharing site, etc because as was mentioned, they're complete hardware/software systems, and they ain't cheap. The flame upgrade I just did was $150k (upgrade!). I will say though that on the linux box, this new version just simply screams.

You mentioned building a linux box, but imho a mac will serve you better because its much more versatile, and there's more software available that will serve you across the production pipeline. Flame, etc are very specialized systems.
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Thanks kai and everyone for your posts. I see now unless Im working for a large-scale production studio, autodesk is worth no further investigation. I am a mere hobbyist, so I think I will now buy a mac ---- jb
 
DeaneThrussell said:
a few years ago i did a promo with green screen and all the back ground element needed to be timelapse so i shot on my nikon d10 which gave me file in size 3504x2336...and worked with them in flame the result where stunning...but it was a slow does your flame have a autodesk burn farm and do you think this will become a must when working with red files
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On Quantel if you work with hardware supported resolution 720, 1080, 2K etc. its all OK, but when you step into custom resolution its slow.
 
DeaneThrussell said:
a few years ago i did a promo with green screen and all the back ground element needed to be timelapse so i shot on my nikon d10 which gave me file in size 3504x2336...and worked with them in flame the result where stunning...but it was a slow does your flame have a autodesk burn farm and do you think this will become a must when working with red files
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My Flame is the latest version, running on the latest linux box they offer (flame 2007, sp3.1). It absolutely screams and does HD & 2k realtime without a hitch. It will also do 4k realtime, but you have to add another Stone array to it (i just have one).
 
kai said:
My Flame is the latest version, running on the latest linux box they offer (flame 2007, sp3.1). It absolutely screams and does HD & 2k realtime without a hitch. It will also do 4k realtime, but you have to add another Stone array to it (i just have one).
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You're talking about playing rendered clips. I have never seen a Flame or any other computer based device that can do green screen extractions and create multilayer composites without rendering. The Linux based Flame and Inferno builds are indeed faster than the SGI builds they replace. But they are hardly real time for anything other than playing rendered clips.
 
DeaneThrussell said:
can anyone think of any plug ins that would time remap and and emulate over exposure kinda like a hand cranked camera effect which could be used with the red
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check out Stu Maschwitz blog http://prolost.blogspot.com

He had a script for doing the burn in After Effects about a month ago
 
Hi Kai
A few years ago we owned a Discreet Edit system. One month with no warning they quit supporting it. Said it was to expensive and dead end to develop because, the software depended on a hardward board to make it work. Didn't know Flame etc was the same way (a hardware board) hope they keep supporting you, My partner and I lost about 30K when they dumped us. at 200K it would be really painful. Seems like software only systems get faster all the time, and cheaper.
 
Yeah, the days are numbered for dedicated hardware systems in the video/film industry. They'll fall prey to the relentless advance of commodity IT, the same as they have in other industries. That doesn't necessarily mean they're a bad choice today, of course, if you have the capital to afford them and the work volume to justify them.
 
tj williams said:
Hi Kai
A few years ago we owned a Discreet Edit system. One month with no warning they quit supporting it. Said it was to expensive and dead end to develop because, the software depended on a hardward board to make it work. Didn't know Flame etc was the same way (a hardware board) hope they keep supporting you, My partner and I lost about 30K when they dumped us. at 200K it would be really painful. Seems like software only systems get faster all the time, and cheaper.
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I worked for a company that had 4 Edit's when they Discrete dumped it. Theres a moral in there somewhere.
 
Flame Fire Inferno are not closed off to hardware as such compared to Quantel I believe. Yes you need to have a specific hardware, but they don't make it.

As for days being numbered I doubt it. Were along long way off realtime in software on current hardware. People will pay for realtime, or faster!.. so there will be a market for it.

s
 
tj williams said:
A few years ago we owned a Discreet Edit system. One month with no warning they quit supporting it. Said it was to expensive and dead end to develop because, the software depended on a hardward board to make it work... My partner and I lost about 30K when they dumped us.
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Hey TJ, I was an engineer on Edit at Discreet in Chicago. Edit used two boards, the Targa 2000 (and later the 3000) and the Matrox Digisuite. These excuses they gave you are just that, excuses. At the time, you needed hardware boards to do what Edit did. Edit wrung so much performance out of the Targas that Pinnacle reportedly offered to buy the whole product (and team) for $30 million and Discreet said no. Discreet proceeded to can the product, team, and later the Combustion team. So there goes that "too expensive" story. And they still have no similar product; they could've owned the Windows NLE market by now. Instead, they bought Cleaner.

I'll stop there, but know that you're not alone; Autodesk to this day finds itself shut out of many, many broadcasters because of what they did to Edit.
 
True for many years. But now the linux versions are just fast PCs with a Quadro and some input/output hardware from AJA. Oh and a fast storage system.

Not to say that the speed and workflow isn't fantastic.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Anyone knows what is the "real" difference?

Flame or even Inferno
vs.
Macpro8core, full of RAM, fcpstudio2+shake, xRaid via fibrechannel, best option for graphics (Quadro or the x2900xt, when available).

It's not a joke. I'm planning to build a brand new Edit suite (commercial finishing).

I need to know your opinion.

And at last, what about the average pricing?

Thanks in advance,
Elcurado.
 
Just made the count:
For the Macpro suite 40/45.000 USD. All included.

(forgot to mention before an BMD or Aja box, the Adobe CS3 extended + AE)

What about the Autodesk products?

Really don't know.
 
Elcurado said:
Just made the count:
For the Macpro suite 40/45.000 USD. All included.

(forgot to mention before an BMD or Aja box, the Adobe CS3 extended + AE)

What about the Autodesk products?

Really don't know.
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You dont have a 3D package in there like Maya, but do you really need one. Looks like you'll be busy enough

If you can afford them, get 2 Eizo monitors, their awesome. What are you doing for an output monitor? If you go for an HD sony it will double your budget.
 
Control monitors, decks, and other pieces of hardware are not in this budget.
Already in the studio, this suite will be a new one in an established environment.

Going to catch some info on the Eizo's.... (thanks)
 
Elcurado said:
Anyone knows what is the "real" difference?

Flame or even Inferno
vs.
Macpro8core, full of RAM, fcpstudio2+shake, xRaid via fibrechannel, best option for graphics (Quadro or the x2900xt, when available).

It's not a joke. I'm planning to build a brand new Edit suite (commercial finishing).

I need to know your opinion.

And at last, what about the average pricing?

Thanks in advance,
Elcurado.
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Sound like a good investment..your got a lot of BANG for your buck..doing something very similar 4FCP,shake on 8 core G5 suites with Adobe CS3 maya3D etc and a 14TB raid on fibre plus sticking 3 old avid in as offline tools or SD online tools...but still fancy a Flame. With G5 being so fast it's job to say if a flame gonna be faster but the workflow on autodesk products is so good once you ve seen a good op fly round flame nothing compares. Give one Flame to 3 shake suites any day.

Elcurado some toys you need to really get the best out of your investment is a Automatic Duck software and a JBL wheel on your color software
and a good monitor for grading...Barco seem to be the best value
 
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