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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

RED #41 commercial 9/11/07 PNG's

> two interpolations...
If it really was two interpolations, I would see your point. But downscaling from 4k to 2k is not an interpolation- is there any software that doesn't do perfect rescaling from 4k to 2k? if so, it certainly shouldn't be in professional use... (of course, as Jim A. points out, in this case there seems little question anyway)
 
I used to do VERY careful scaling in Fusion with the best methods to understand the actual differences between the two recorded HVX modes because the rez is so close between them. It isn't an issue here.

You can't rig the test for the HVX to place, show or win.

Oh wait, I take that back... if you stand up, back up from your monitor to about eight feet, and in my case, take off the glasses... they both look about the same...
 
I tried it, not as bad as your example but the differences are night and day. :)

Tried the same test with some of my Z1 footage, scaling both to 1920x1080. I'm now very depressed...
 
We also tested both cameras on set with the Panasonic BT-LH1700W toggling back and forth between inputs. Even at 720 the difference was amazing and pretty much reflected the side by side here - HVX very noisy and video-y... I kept checking the HVX to make sure it was set to output 720 and not SD.
 
Jim Arthurs said:
I used to do VERY careful scaling in Fusion with the best methods to understand the actual differences between the two recorded HVX modes because the rez is so close between them. It isn't an issue here.

You can't rig the test for the HVX to place, show or win.

Oh wait, I take that back... if you stand up, back up from your monitor to about eight feet, and in my case, take off the glasses... they both look about the same...
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Hi Jim/Manny or anyoneatall ! - I'd like to hear your call one day on Red cf HPX 500.
That would be an interesting comparison - I mean they're vitually the same price by the time you ditch the cheapo lens and deck the HPX with a decent bottle on the front.

I know Red will come out well in front, don't think there's any doubt about that - but it'd be interesting in a EFP/ENG scenario as to which one you might go for. Given a rental situation ... just wondering.

Thanks in advance.
 
robbo said:
Hi Jim/Manny or anyoneatall ! - I'd like to hear your call one day on Red cf HPX 500.
That would be an interesting comparison - I mean they're vitually the same price by the time you ditch the cheapo lens and deck the HPX with a decent bottle on the front.

I know Red will come out well in front, don't think there's any doubt about that - but it'd be interesting in a EFP/ENG scenario as to which one you might go for. Given a rental situation ... just wondering.

Thanks in advance.
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I might do that soon... my local camera rental shop just received an HPX and they want to rent my Red. I was gonna bring #41 in there to test anyway...
 
rgdfilmsRED said:
I keep toggling between that HVX grab and the Red grab.. damn.. the HVX is such a piece of crap compared to red. .. looks like SD
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I was saying that the HVX looked like uprezzed SD after I bought one of the first ones and started doing a BUNCH of side by side stuff with other cameras. Once I knew the truth I had to sell it. I felt like my girl cheated on me. Real 1080P my a$$!

It was easy to sell though. :-)

Red is the real deal... holy crap. And I'm not too scared of skin in 4K either. This model is a prime example. It's the HD sharpening we're used to that's so hard on skin. OK - maybe ECU's are going to need some post work.
 
joelnet said:
I was saying that the HVX looked like uprezzed SD after I bought one of the first ones and started doing a BUNCH of side by side stuff with other cameras. Once I knew the truth I had to sell it. I felt like my girl cheated on me. Real 1080P my a$$!

It was easy to sell though. :-)

Red is the real deal... holy crap. And I'm not too scared of skin in 4K either. This model is a prime example. It's the HD sharpening we're used to that's so hard on skin. OK - maybe ECU's are going to need some post work.
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I was debating posting them side by side as I'll need to sell my HVX in the coming months... In RedAlert there is the option of turning sharpening off. I used on and the low setting. There are also detail settings... with one of the three options being "leading lady"
 
Manny said:
I was debating posting them side by side as I'll need to sell my HVX in the coming months... In RedAlert there is the option of turning sharpening off. I used on and the low setting. There are also detail settings... with one of the three options being "leading lady"
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Don't even worry about selling your HVX. It's got a cult following out there.

So did you need the leading lady setting? And is that a light blur or something? Or selective blur on reds/yellows?

How are you feeling about her skin/freckles/wrinkles in 4K? (I mean, if I have to hire 19 year olds for everything I'll make it work...)
 
joelnet said:
Don't even worry about selling your HVX. It's got a cult following out there.

So did you need the leading lady setting? And is that a light blur or something? Or selective blur on reds/yellows?

How are you feeling about her skin/freckles/wrinkles in 4K? (I mean, if I have to hire 19 year olds for everything I'll make it work...)
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Didn't use the leading lady setting and no blur added. Since we only got off one take in that location before the Red/CF thing happened, that section will be only from the HVX and I'm not worried about post softening that! I am also going to bring this frame back into redalert and do it over... Highlights can be brought down... it was before I got a feel for the RedAlert prograemme.
 
Concrete said:
That's what I was gonna ask. The highlights on the "Host"ess face seem like artificially blown out, something that RedAlert! would do. Did you raise the exposure slider?
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No but Redalert knows what asa the camera was at. I'll basically take it back in and rate it at 320 instead of 500. Then click exposure until my histogram is all in. That highlight is WAY hot and it was a test shot before we finished setting the reflector outside. I'll see what I can get out of it tomorrow night (shooting again tomorrow)
 
I'm not very pleased with the look of the highlights on the hosts face in the red picture vs the HVX. The Red's blown out parts have got sharp edges, sharper than anything else in the pic.
Did you try and use DRX in Red Alert? That should help ease the sensor's blown-out parts. But maybe the sensor wasn't blown out at all and it's just Red Alert that hits the roof. I actually think that that is the case, otherwise the edges of the blown parts would have been just as soft as the edge of a dead pixel, like we saw in the nakedbed pic.
Red Alert doesn't seem to do a good job at soft clipping... Maybe you better make Red Alert convert the picture into something safe, with the total histogram visible and do the clipping later.

I'd be curious what the picture looks like with the leading lady setting and no output sharpening and the exposure or ASA as low as you need it to be to rescue all that's in the pic...
 
We all know RED is going to trump the HVX in every way- but to be fair- I have seen much better images from a HVX than the one posted.
 
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