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Red #27, Production Day #1

Hey Shawn,

Congratulations on your new camera! Followed your posts quite a bit for a while now...check out some of the articles at filmsound.org for noise reduction. Having quite a bit of experience in live music and on-location dialogue recording, I can tell you honestly you'll get the best results from tastefully using all of the tools available for reducing noise: gates, multiband compression (or "Live EQ"), and noise reduction algorithms. Using any of the preceding tools exclusively could result in nasty results (pumping, warbling, etc). It might be worth your while to get a pro to filter the tracks for the child-actor and ADR the rest.

I'm pretty impressed with the hints everybody else have provided, but be careful that you don't "clean it up" so much that your tracks sound dead. A tasteful use of buzz track, atmos, and reverb will definitely help after tweaking the filters.

Cheers, bud.

- Tom
 
Shawn Nelson said:
The 526 is Bogen's top of the line head, it's rated to 35lbs.

That configuration is 27.5 lbs.
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Well, there you go. :) Thanks for the correction.

I came across some info on the 526 and the article I read stated it's weight limit as 16lbs, not the 16kg it actually is. My fault for not checking Bogen's site myself. :)
 
Take a look around here, I did a pretty big review (or a serious bashing) of the 526 head and the 528 sticks that are also available with it in a kit. Yes, it's rated to 35lbs.. quality is in line with its price when considering other fluid heads on the market. An O'Connor 1030HD is 5X as good, but is also 5X the price. Personally I disliked the Bogen 526 enough that I sent it back even though the head and sticks combo was pretty dang cheap.

I'd advise anyone considering this head to test drive it before they buy, or order from a vendor that will allow returns and no restocking fees. Amazon is recommended, I bought mine there and they happily gave me a full refund because I wasn't happy with it.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Take a look around here, I did a pretty big review (or a serious bashing) of the 526 head and the 528 sticks that are also available with it in a kit. Yes, it's rated to 35lbs.. quality is in line with its price when considering other fluid heads on the market. An O'Connor 1030HD is 5X as good, but is also 5X the price. Personally I disliked the Bogen 526 enough that I sent it back even though the head and sticks combo was pretty dang cheap.

I'd advise anyone considering this head to test drive it before they buy, or order from a vendor that will allow returns and no restocking fees. Amazon is recommended, I bought mine there and they happily gave me a full refund because I wasn't happy with it.
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Thanks, Jeff.
 
Shawn Nelson said:
Thank you everyone for the noise tip reductions, I'll be looking into all of that.

To clarify, the frozen peas and ice pack was unrelated to the fan. The fan was an ongoing thing all day (you can even hear it on the outdoors scenes) but the frozen peas was a ONE time incident wherein the unit wouldn't boot until we'd waited about 10 min in total. Not sure why yet, maybe the next firmware will fix it. The unit ran fine for the rest of the day.
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Shawn,

I just checked this out.

You might avoid the Noise reducer in Soundtrack as it does create the "warbling refered to recently. INstead try to EQ out the unwanted noise. The noise is all sitting between 200 and 100HZ and it can be rolled off pretty easily without the warbling.

David
 
Looking forward to seeing some clips soon hopefully :)
 
more stuff, more stuff! :) can you tell I am excited?!
 
Thanks for the low down and dirty Shawn. That fan noise is scary. Now I'm wondering how noisy the Red Drive will be.

Quick tip for your DP on his RR Micro. For $75 they can upgrade it to get rid of the 1/4" play. Also, test Bias SoundSoap for noise reduction. My experience is it's much more intelligent than other solutions and preserves more good signal.
 
Thanks everyone, my dad has SoundSoap (he uses it for cleaning up event audio) so I'll give that a try.

Hopefully later today or tomorrow I can post some clips or screen caps.

My DP told me that something had come loose and he's now fixed the RR down to 1/16" of play.
 
Shawn Nelson said:
Thanks everyone, my dad has SoundSoap (he uses it for cleaning up event audio) so I'll give that a try.

Hopefully later today or tomorrow I can post some clips or screen caps.

My DP told me that something had come loose and he's now fixed the RR down to 1/16" of play.
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Well dang - guess you don't need me around. ;-) I'm looking forward to your DVD.
 
Lol, Joel, I appreciate your comments man.

Are you getting excited about your Red? Not too long now. Next round will be 50-100, then the round after that will be 100-200.
 
The front page is now updated with three screen captures and a 1k export from the short!
 
Shawn you are the granddaddy posting master! Thanks so much for sharing man! Looks great!
 
Sean, once you get this wrapped up and you have a chance to breathe, I'd love to know your workflow from pre to post. I know it's a lot to ask and I certainly understand if you get too busy, but I think it would be invaluable. Did you decide what you were going to grade with? I know you were inquiring about Scratch before. Also I was curious if you're planning for a film out with this short for some of the festivals? Lots of questions, sorry... I had three cups of coffee this morning. :)
 
Hello Shawn : I´m almost done offlining a short I directed. It was a 35mm production and I had a lot of issues with the audio too. Camera noise (it was a Moviecam SL) was a small problem in the start of a close up inside a bathroom. Just that one shot. What is really killing me is that I need to replace some of the dialogues and I don´t have any wilds neither atmosphere backup.
While I can edit the footage myself, I´ve gotta to admit I´m an ignorant when it comes to audio...
Just to share, this short was a real nightmare...+20 scenes, 2 extremely long days and of course, a very tight budget. Gotta say if I have to shot a feature under this conditions, I´d probably end up shooting myself.
Here´s when I start thinking about the Red camera. My only concern, at least for my own work, is that I know I´m gonna be watching it more than 100 times in a year so I want, like PJ said, the upmost quality.
As soon as I finish editing this short (which I want to online in 720p), I´m gonna start producing another one for which I hope to have my Red ready.
BTW, thanks for the 72fps footage. It was a great example. Me, I´m a happy men at 4K@48 fps.

Regards

Rodrigo
 
joelnet said:
Quick tip for your DP on his RR Micro. For $75 they can upgrade it to get rid of the 1/4" play.
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I'll have to look into that- thanks for the tip.

There is actually on 1/16" of play in the one that I have- my AC was trying to adjust the unit and put the cog / wheel on backwards, and it did not allow it to be tightened all the way down. Once we figured that out, it was corrected, but there was still the 1/16" of play in the adapter. (Not bad for a $650 FF, but it does not compare to the Arri FF- I love that FF!)
 
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