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Recommendations for a 4k monitor

Sony VPL-VW600ES... cheapest 4k projector I've seen thus far, not sure about performance. $15k'ish price. I use the Asus PQ321Q... it's a great monitor - price is still pretty close to what I paid for it last year (>$2k). Asus has the PA line coming that is supposed to be less expensive and still have 10 bit color and 60hz refresh... but I've not seen any of them yet. Dell also has a 28" (IIRC) 60hz 4k monitor out that's around $1500. Seiki has announced a 60hz line but I've not seen them either... and the Seiki panels are what you would expect for a super low cost display (at least the 55" unit I have is), great price, 4k resolution, no frills interface, lots of connectivity issues, not stellar color performance.
 
Evin Grant said:
Are there any with a true 4096 pixel raster or are they all UHD?
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There are a few very expensive choices from Sony and Canon but save your moolah for next year cause that's when there will be more product on the market and NAB will bring some new additions with DisplayPort 1.3.
 
Yes I've also seen a few true 4k units advertised... but I've not actually seen pricing. One of LG's newly announced displays looks really interesting: http://www.techtimes.com/articles/13389/20140820/lg-debuts-ultra-wide-curved-display.htm
LG will also bring its 31-inch Digital Cinema 4K Monitor, the 31MU97, to IFA 2014. The Digital Cinema 4K Monitor, which has a resolution of 4096x2160, will deliver up to 99 percent of Adobe's RGB color space, a standard that accounts for approximately 50 percent of all visible colors, says LG. It makes the model ideal for film professions or designers and photographers.

Read more: http://www.techtimes.com/articles/1...s-ultra-wide-curved-display.htm#ixzz3HXLYGDLs
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Interestingly, the Sony projector is true 4096x2160.
 
Philips has just announced a 40-inch 4K PC monitor for around $800. Nothing fantastic in the specs, but if you need big, easy, and not too expensive, it fits the bill perfectly. DP/mDP connectivity @ 60hz to a VA panel.
 
David Kuhn said:
Sony VPL-VW600ES... cheapest 4k projector I've seen thus far, not sure about performance. $15k'ish price. I use the Asus PQ321Q... it's a great monitor - price is still pretty close to what I paid for it last year (>$2k). Asus has the PA line coming that is supposed to be less expensive and still have 10 bit color and 60hz refresh... but I've not seen any of them yet. Dell also has a 28" (IIRC) 60hz 4k monitor out that's around $1500. Seiki has announced a 60hz line but I've not seen them either... and the Seiki panels are what you would expect for a super low cost display (at least the 55" unit I have is), great price, 4k resolution, no frills interface, lots of connectivity issues, not stellar color performance.
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The Sony VPL-VW600ES (or VW500ES in markets outside the USA is identical) has a list price of $15K, but a street price around $9500. JVC has a pretend-4K projector that lists around $10K. It uses pixel shifting to try and gain more resolution and it accepts 4K (HDMI 1.4) input. Waste of money, IMO. I have a VW600ES and really like it. Great color rendition, easy to calibrate, lovely image. The 1100ES model lists for $10K more and it has a superior lens with a noticeably sharper image through the lens even though it's using the same LCOS display system. Better image processor with higher bit precision internally and upgradeable interface board electronics. So, there are some advantages to the more expensive "consumer" model. Street price on that one is about $18K. My one complaint about my 600ES and it seems to be a regular or common complaint is that the stepper motors for lens control and convergence tend to drift. I feel like I have to re-align my picture to my screen and check convergence and focus a lot more than with any other projector I've owned. Part of it could be the extra resolution and finer precision needed to maintain these aspects, but it seems excessive at times. And these aspects can drift even through multiple zoom in/out operations of the lens. I would leave the zoom fixed, but my room allowed for a 2.35:1 screen, so I will zoom the projector to fill it when appropriate.

For monitors, there are a few good choices, but interfaces are still trying to catch up with the tech and display makers and video card makers are struggling to make all this work right at the moment. As much as I like jumping on new tech, I would actually recommend most people wait unless they absolutely need something now. Newer and more powerful video cards with proper HDMI 2.0 and DisplayPort 1.3 will be out in 6~8 months. The next round of displays to interface with them should arrive around the same time or just after.

The only displays out there that fall into consumer land with a 4096 pixel (or greater) raster are the LG 31MU97-B, which is a 31" 4096x2160 unit that has just been released. Has DisplayPort 1.2 and HDMI 1.4 inputs. So no proper 4K @ 60Hz over HDMI on this monitor, only via DP 1.2 MST. They showed earlier pre-release versions with Thunderbolt 2, but dropped that for the official launch. Too bad. It didn't offer anything different than the DisplayPort 1.2 input, other than having TB interfacing where we could use longer cables, which would be handy... MSRP on this monitor is $1400.

Then there's the Dell 5K monitor. Using the same LG panel in the new 5K iMac. Dell should start taking orders in about 3 weeks. It takes TWO DP1.2 (or Thunderbolt 2) cables to run it at full 5K 60Hz. Price on this one isn't set, but it looks like it will be between $1400 and $2000.
 
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FrankMcPartland said:
I hope the Retina iMac pricing will help keep the Dell 5K Panel under $2,000...
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Are there any cards out there right now that can run 5k? There aren't that many dual display port cards, and I bet even those will need new software to enable 5k/dual display port displays.

Might end up spending as much on the graphics card(s) as on the display...
 
David Kuhn said:
Are there any cards out there right now that can run 5k? There aren't that many dual display port cards, and I bet even those will need new software to enable 5k/dual display port displays.

Might end up spending as much on the graphics card(s) as on the display...
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The latest GPUs can but they must have - apart from the obvious dual DP output - full and proper MST support in their drivers and any associated applications you use must have it as well. That being said, I will be amazed if it actually is usable any time soon given the mess MST has been in the past.
 
If projector is not preferred I'd wait for Panny AX900.
 
Well there are a number of sub $1k options out there these days... but I wouldn't expect good color performance. They seem to be targeted to the gaming market so that means fast refresh and not much concern about gamut.
 
UHD/4K panels under 32" can be ideal for some use cases. That said, part of what makes the UHD/4K viewing experience compelling, is the ability to go big without going mushy. Like Phil I have a Sony 600ES projector and it's easy to love, despite it's consumer pedigree. On set, I roll with a 65" Sony 850 UHD panel. It has it's limitations, but it's great for field QC as it is large enough to reveal focus buzzes that otherwise might not be caught until too late.

As others have noted, if you possibly can, wait until the new interface standards are supported: HDMI2, DP1.3 and, hopefully, by NAB in April - Quad SDI in units that don't cost as much as a car.

Cheers - #19
 
Jeff.

Is it possible to get one of these, or two, hooked up to an older Mac Pro?

Jeff Kilgroe said:
The only displays out there that fall into consumer land with a 4096 pixel (or greater) raster are the LG 31MU97-B, which is a 31" 4096x2160 unit that has just been released. Has DisplayPort 1.2 and HDMI 1.4 inputs. So no proper 4K @ 60Hz over HDMI on this monitor, only via DP 1.2 MST. They showed earlier pre-release versions with Thunderbolt 2, but dropped that for the official launch. Too bad. It didn't offer anything different than the DisplayPort 1.2 input, other than having TB interfacing where we could use longer cables, which would be handy... MSRP on this monitor is $1400.
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Is the new Eizo running the same 31" LG panel? What are the differences driving the price up 3X besides some of the self-calibration?
 
Will Keir said:
Jeff.

Is it possible to get one of these, or two, hooked up to an older Mac Pro?
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I'm pretty sure that it is, although I have not tried it myself. Will definitely need to be running OSX 10.9.5 or newer and will also need a GPU capable of sending 4096x2160 resolution via DisplayPort 1.2. I'm thinking most nvidia GTX760~780 GTX970~980 GPUs will do it. Or the Titan GPUs, Quadro K6000 (perhaps the K5000?).

Bigger issues we start running into with the old Mac towers, is the PCIe 2.0 slots and the slower dual/triple channel RAM at slower clock speeds. It's hard for the system to utilize these newest GPUs to their full potential as there just isn't enough bandwidth to feed them. That has little to do with driving your desktop or a display at 4K, though.

Running two of the 31" 4K monitors may be asking too much. You would need a GPU with two DP 1.2 outputs. Can always use HDMI, but it's limited to 30Hz with these current hardware combinations. Not bad for a preview monitor if you're working in 24,25,30Hz, but that sucks for using as a working monitor.

If it were me, I wouldn't spend the money on upgrading the tower to add these monitors. Better and cheaper monitors are on the horizon along with updated connectivity options and that Mac tower just gets older and more obsolete every day. A new quad-core 5K iMac will outperform most 6 and even 8 core 2012 and earlier Mac Pro tower systems. And it has a killer screen too. The advantage to those towers remains the PCI expandability, RAM capacity and GPU options. Although, those advantages are shrinking fast due to the age of the system and creeping obsolescence.
 
Jason Osterday said:
Is the new Eizo running the same 31" LG panel? What are the differences driving the price up 3X besides some of the self-calibration?
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Yes same panel. The EIZO might have a different backlight system, don't know that yet. It has (or should have) superior internal processing from EIZO with more controls and calibration abilities. Better service and support... Better quality control... And just paying for the more niche EIZO label...
 
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