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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

RAVEN mattebox

tonaci said:
Okay.. to clarify reverse of what I have commonly seen. I never intended it to be in a negative way. Mount it upside down for all I care. I love the modularity..heck I put my cradle on the side of my RED. It's your red, do what you will with it.
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like the side mount, never thought o' that!
 
Sure a few more bucks for a BETTER mb no problem. But to buy something strictly for name recognition isn't wise.
I think if you paid 5200 for a MB20II today, you could sell it for 4800 tomorrow. Maybe even next week. But after the Red MB delivers, you and Tonaci are dreaming if you think the used Arri MB market isn't going to drop by a good chunk very quickly. And that's just my humble opinion. Keep in mind that because the Arri MB's last so long, the buyers market in the used Arri MB field is mostly comprised of people who are looking to buy a MB for the first time, ie. for their Red, and if they have the choice of an Arri or a Red, my money's on them buying a Red MB, unless the Arri is close enough in price that they'd rather a used Arri. And look who the buyers flooding into this new market are: are they 70 year old "well it's Arri or nothing" kind of crowd, or the younger, technology and price savvy "well, what have we got as options" kind of crowd. Anyways, best of luck with your decision.
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Actually, name recognition is important if you are renting the camera and supporting gear out to professional productions. How many DPs and camera ops have used a Red MB? How many have used an Arri MB? Until the Red MB has been out there and established you will have a lot of people asking for another MB to put on the camera. If renting the camera out is not the objective, then of course you go with the less expensive, and possibly really good solution. It's human nature in this business to go wth the tried and true products. They last many years and hold their value because they are well built and work as advertised.

Is there room for other products? Sure, they just need to build their track record.

Steve
 
I have had to do some selling/educating when renting out the Petroff. But everyone has been very satisfied and asked for it in subsequent rentals.

I know I'll have to do a lot more selling/educating to move the camera itself.

Jason

ps. Tonaci ... you have exposed that I was careful to not say 'reverse' in describing the handle position.
 
Sorry for the delay, and these aren't the best pics I can give you. They're with my crappy old digital camera, but I will shoot some better ones with my Rebel Xti tomorrow. It's just been a hectic day. Don't know if they do the thing justice, but trust me when I say it's really a great matte box for it's price. It's no Arri, but it's a GREAT Matte Box!
 
Great to see Peter Gabriel in your living room...

Quick question: $$$?
 
Thanks for posting those pics iboyce! That helps.

What long noga arm is that?
 
515 sticks with a 516 fluid head and 3272 release plate. Yes.

It's a temporary solution. We made a last minute decision to buy the Red Lens and so we had to sacrifice a couple things for the time being. One being a decent tripod. But so far, it's worked well enough.
 
Yep, kinda looks like what Im currently using...
I am 80% sure I am going the MB20II route for now. Time to whip out the ol CC..
 
rgdfilmsRED said:
I like the Vocas MB-450, however, unlike the ARRI MB20, the swing away adapter is not optional, even though they list their prices as such. I was under the impression that I could buy the Vocas box & purchase the $750+ swing away adapter at a later time, I was informed that the Vocas ships with the Swing-away regardless so you have to pay that extra cost..
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I would like to comment on this bit, just for a moment.

I am not sure were you got this information from, but you have been mis-informed.
The Vocas swing-away system is an accessory of the MB-450 and is in no way included with the base mattebox.
You can simply buy the MB-450 mattebox, and at a later date, purchase either a rail support or a swing-away system.
 
rgdfilmsRED said:
The Red One is akin to a high class, wealthy Barbie-doll...
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I love that simile. :D

Frankly you can do a fair enough job with a sheet of cardboard and gaffer tape. All the units that have been talked about would do the job, and probably quite well. The mattebox debate is as much about brand worship, and "bling", as it is about technical specs.

Don't get me wrong - I'm an Arri whore, and I'm proud of it. I use a mix on HDV cams (Chrosziel to name but one), but still get a pang of lust for a sprawling German Arri MB, and will also favour Arri over the rest. There's no logic in it, I know. Human nature for you.

If it looks cheap and plastic, I'm more likely to treat it badly - throw it into a case, yank the flags back and forth... Now, if it looks strong and expensive, I'm going to treat it like gold. Can't account for the monkeys who thing anything protruding from a camera is a handle though...

Arri MB's are built like the proverbial brick shit-house, their true defining advantage. And they're really quite pretty. I like pretty. ;)
 
Adthrawn said:
Frankly you can do a fair enough job with a sheet of cardboard and gaffer tape. All the units that have been talked about would do the job, and probably quite well. The mattebox debate is as much about brand worship, and "bling", as it is about technical specs.
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Well put.

Buy the ARRI but prepare to feel okay about the nicks once it's been rented a few times.
 
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