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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

RAVEN mattebox

Blair S. Paulsen said:
The MB20Mk2 may be pricey but it works well and speeds lens/filter changes. Ask yourself if you are saving enough with a cheaper mattebox to offset the time penalty. Just sayin'
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Also keep in mind that an MB20II will last 20 years... If you divide it´s cost over the years it might make sense business wise.
 
I've been using the new Petroff 5x5 (with 4x5.650 filter stages) for a couple weeks now and am head over heals for it. totally love it. It's solid for a matte box that only cost about $1700. We have 2 stages but you simply have to buy an extra holder and it will expand out to 3. We have the 15mm adapter but it will clip on as well and is REALLY light. We have mostly just clipped it on. Great thing is, the top and side wings fold all the way in so we never have to take them off. We just fold them in and put it in the case.

I have to echo Michael when I say I don't know why this matte box isn't recognized more on this forum.
 
iboyce, can you please post a pic all rigged up?

Can this adapt to 19mm for rods?
 
rgdfilmsRED said:
iboyce, can you please post a pic all rigged up?

Can this adapt to 19mm for rods?
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Although I rather see his rig and more angles.. here is the one from the petroff:

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If were basing it on looks, that pic makes the Petroff look like cheap plastic, Raven looks sturdier, but Id really just prefer to drop the ridiculous dime on the MB20II & call it a decade
 
Richard,

The Petroffs are really solid and nicely put together. For my lightweight work I go to my 4x4 Petroff before my Chrosziel (which is a CF/MB). One look at how it works and goes together and you can tell that it's pro quality. Plus, all stages rotate and (as stated) packing is a dream. I'm less crazy about their light rings and prefer the Chrosziel type of solid tube.

Tonaci ... is there a reason for mounting you handle in that direction (opposite of how I've seen most others)?

Jason
 
rgdfilmsRED said:
Michael,
Are you using the Petroff with your Red?
Can it be setup for 19mm?
If so, have time to post a picture ? This will help me..
Was it the Cavision or the Petroff that was giving the Red problems?
& when it says 4x5, I assume that its 4x5.65 ?
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I have the aformentioned Petroff with both 15mm and 19mm rods mounts. The 19mm works flawlessly on the RED rods. I've used the 15mm on other lightweight setups without issue.

Yes, the 4x5 fits 4x5.65" and 4x4" filters. I wish there was a bellows for 138mm round but will manage okay. The entire thing can be disassembled without tools.

That picture isn't flattering to the Petroff. It is really very well built.

The CAVision is generally regarded as a piece of cr** and wouldn't even fit the rods system.

Michael
 
chuck colburn said:
One thing that caught my eye was that the filter holder itself does not seem to sit even in the mattebox. Look at the picture on the right.
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I saw it too. But I think that's just due to the rotating stage being partially rotated in relation to the box. It's a 4x5.65 filter holder and that's a 95mm bellows ring. 4" is roughly 101mm and seems to be what we're seeing in that image. So, slightly rotated filter stage.

IMO, 4x565 is too small for RED if you're going to be using rotating filters... I suppose it will work with the 50-150 and probably with the 18-50, even at full wide. But it's not going to work with some of the larger primes out there. Forget 4 x anything rotating with Master Primes.
 
Michael Morlan said:
The CAVision is generally regarded as a piece of cr** and wouldn't even fit the rods system.

Michael
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I have to agree with Michael when it comes to what CAVision has to offer.
The Quality and Workmanship is Sh*t, and CAVision customer service is worst than their product.
 
rgdfilmsRED said:
iboyce, can you please post a pic all rigged up?

Can this adapt to 19mm for rods?
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Richard,
I'll take some shots tomorrow and post them. I'm going to bed, but I can say that I'm in love with this matte box. We use the 15mm adapter and the only issue with the 5x5 is that is rides lower than the red 15mm adapter so I had to flip the universal mount upside down and add some washers to lift it up to the right length. It's a little annoying, but we've mostly been using it just as a clip-on anyway since it's so lightweight. And I know that Petroff has a 19mm adapter as well, but we just haven't received it yet. It's good to hear from Michael that it works so flawlessly.

Like I said, it's no $500 Matte Box. Ours cost about $1800, but compared to $4.5k for an Arri, I'd say it's a steal!
 
Thanks for the feedsback.. & that'd be awesome iboyce, seeing pictures of the petroff on the red will let me get a better feel for it overall.. thanks

Where are you guys getting your Petroff's from?

I'm going to look into this next week, but I'd like to physically handle one before deciding anything. Anyone in LA know where I could glance at this?
 
B&H orders them in. They import through a company in LA, ste-man.com I believe. The importer was very helpful on the phone making sure everything was right ... after I had placed the order and it had shipped to them. Nice level of service.

The whole process took more than a month from paying B&H, getting through customs and all to delivery.

Jason
 
tonaci said:
also the mb20 will still have great resale value..so later on..you could always resell if the RED Mattebox delivers the goods.
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well, no, because then everyone will buy the red mattebox, right?

edit: btw, i really like the setup you've got for your rig. Simple and looks very light. I think that with the nikon mount, it's exactly what I'm going to have.
 
Evolve, I see the ARRIs always holding value. Every production has different needs - I think the best bet for peeps like me is to go with the LM-5 today and hold out for the RED full prod. Box later. That way you get a rock solid industry standard clip on for 2k, today, and a affordable, bad ass box specifically for the Red tomrrow. The LMB-5 will give you basic functionality, cutting down your light
 
Evolve said:
well, no, because then everyone will buy the red mattebox, right?
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From a rental perspective I disagree. I have been renting my rig out and the majority of clients subrent out "Arri" gear. It is simply what they are used to and because of this I highly doubt the resale value of the mb20 will immediately plummet in price once the RED mattebox lands. The Mb20 will continue to have rental value for those who can afford it.

With that said though, I am looking to get the RED Mattebox. hopefully it comes out soon.
 
Hi Richard,
I guess i see it differently. Like the evolution of digital cinema, so to is the evolution of the accessories. I'm pretty convinced that ARRI will have to drop their prices once, and IF, Redrock, Red, and whoever else can produce a product that does a very similar thing and has similar quality and longevity that Arri's does, at a price that is 1/8th (at least RR's is supposed to be).....or even half the price of an Arri MB. Now those are big IF's, but my sense is that MB prices aren't going to be stable for long. Same as arri cameras....
 
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