R3D at 24 fps in Color 4K!

[BradWright]

Andrew and the Color team at Apple have delivered an amazing improvement in speed. I was able to grade 4K R3D files and preview the output on my Panasonic Plasma in real-time. My setup is a 2008 8 way MacPro at 2.8 Ghz, Radeon HD 4870 512 MB, non-raided internal hard drives. Even if you don't deliver in 4K, being able to work directly on the raw 4K files means a smoother final image.

I really wish Final Cut was able to work directly on the R3D files. It looks a lot like Color with a few more features, could do basic cut edits. If only Color could replace Final Cut Pro for editing.

 

[Brandon Fraley]

are you talking about color 1.5?

 

[M Most]

Andrew and the Color team at Apple have delivered an amazing improvement in speed. I was able to grade 4K R3D files and preview the output on my Panasonic Plasma in real-time. My setup is a 2008 8 way MacPro at 2.8 Ghz, Radeon HD 4870 512 MB, non-raided internal hard drives. Even if you don't deliver in 4K, being able to work directly on the raw 4K files means a smoother final image.

How are you feeding your monitor?

 

[Kwan Khan]

How are you feeding your monitor?

I would also like to know...

 

[Gabriele Turchi]

mmm...sounds amazing...but what resolution is used for debayering...?

Honestly i dont't think is 2k debayer...you need scratch and an overclocked 4.0Ghz core i7 to achieve that...


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[Ryan S]

Brad, do you have one of the Series 11 plasmas with a DVI board installed? I was thinking about just such a solution for myself I'd love to hear your impression of it if that's what you have.

And if not, please enlighten!

 

[BradWright]

I'm feeding the monitor through a Black Magic HD-SDI card that is then converted to component RGB via an AJA mini-converter. I'm using a Panasonic Plasma that displays the full REC 709 color space. It's just amazing that you can do this with Color 1.5.

 

[Ryan S]

I'm feeding the monitor through a Black Magic HD-SDI card that is then converted to component RGB via an AJA mini-converter. I'm using a Panasonic Plasma that displays the full REC 709 color space. It's just amazing that you can do this with Color 1.5.

Very nice! I look forward to using Color 1.5.

If you don't mind my asking, specifically which Panasonic display are you using?

 

[Simon Blackledge]

Are we talking about grading in RT while playing here or on a stopped playhead?

 

[MichaelP]

... and a 4K file at full debayer or 1/2, or 1/6th?

 

[Jason H]

how are you calibrating this to rec 709?

how are you calibrating this to rec 709?

I'm feeding the monitor through a Black Magic HD-SDI card that is then converted to component RGB via an AJA mini-converter. I'm using a Panasonic Plasma that displays the full REC 709 color space. It's just amazing that you can do this with Color 1.5.

Hi,

I want to buy an 11 series as well but whats the trick to calibrating it? I will be going out of color with a kona 3 hdsdi and using an hdsdi board in the plasma. The peeps at cinetal said the hdmi in has about a 3% undersacn. Is there any underscan with the rgb input on yours. I did not ask them about the rgb, only the hdmi.

I went down to cinetal the other day and it looked like the only way to calibrate it was to use there davio box and a probe to create a custom profile to bring it inot rec 709 space. Cost for probe and davio 6,000.00 !! wow!

Interested to know what your calibration process is like. From what i gathered at my meeting at cinetal is that these plasmas are very bright and have a color space outside of rec 709 and that they need a profile/lut to bring them into a rec 709 color space.


thanks!

j

 

[M Most]

From what i gathered at my meeting at cinetal is that these plasmas are very bright and have a color space outside of rec 709 and that they need a profile/lut to bring them into a rec 709 color space.

While they may technically not be "perfect 709" in terms of the color gamut, they are very close, and certainly close enough for almost any grading purposes. Brightness can be easily controlled.

What most people here don't seem to understand is that an HD monitor IS, in effect, a Rec 709 device. You set it up to properly display HD video and you're done. LUT's are used to display alternate color spaces via gamut mapping, like a film print preview or digital cinema (P3). If you're just looking for HD video, you're already seeing it. Worrying about whether the green is exactly the right hue to a one degree accuracy is a bit silly when neither your nor just about anyone else's eye can see the difference. The fact is that Series 11 plasmas are used in virtually every major post facility in Los Angeles and I don't know anyone who's feeding them through a LUT for HD video work. There is also the simple fact that although the spec itself might be based on CRT technology, there is almost nobody watching HD CRT's anywhere but in some telecine suites that have legacy equipment. That may not make what you're seeing technically perfect, but it is reality. As for "tricks" to calibrate it, the best "trick" is to call in someone who does that for a living (i.e., someone who calibrates for home theater and/or professional use), have them go through it, and watch what they do. That will likely cost you less than $500 and you will have something that's very well tuned for Rec 709 work and be educated in the process.

 

[Jason H]

thanks m most! Have i seen you over on the fxphd boards? Are you using the tangent wave yet with color?

thanks

j

 

[M Most]

thanks m most! Have i seen you over on the fxphd boards?

No. They did ask me recently to teach a course on Assimilate Scratch, but we haven't finalized anything yet.

Are you using the tangent wave yet with color?

No. I might, though.