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Questions about the Scarlet 2/3" Cinema

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Nick Armstrong

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First thing i want to say is it's great I came to know about Red and its cameras, sincerely they're great. This might be very beginner question I'm asking :)

The 2/3" Cinema for the Red Scarlet seems the most afortable in price for indie film makers. Is it possible to film a professional looking 24p movie and make it for the theatrical (big screen) release? I ask this because I see its Mysterium is the smallest among the others.

Also is there a release date for the Red Scarlet? Thanks for your help.
 
Did you see Benjamin Button or Star Wars Episodes 1-3? What about Slumdog Millionaire or The Wrestler?
 
Lenses...

Lenses...

To get the same resolution on the move screen as you would get with a good 35mm negative in the filmout print the lenses used on the so called 2/3" sensor, really smaller, have to be very good, in focus, and at their prime stop.

There are few C mount lenses, even the Megapixel lenses, that are above 120lp/mm wide open. When you add in the OLPF dividing the resolution in about half on the sensor the results can get a little soft. When you sharpen the images you can recover from some of that shoftness but you pick up noise and if you sharpen too much you get the "video look". What this means is that you would want to shoot between f/4.5 and f/6.3 as much as you can with most lenses, better ones you might open up to f/3.5 and not so good ones could not be sharp enough since going to f/8 or smaller can give softer results on all lenses (depending on the OLPF and sharpening used).

Movie film prints as projected a little out of focus most of the time come about to be near 1280x720 on a computer monitor. Since Scarlet will have a 3K sensor with OLPF, it should be possable to get above 1K of real resolution in the filmout which is close to what you can see in a "art house" screen sitting near the back of the theater.

If you are in the front row in a theater with an IMAX size screen, you might be able to see some loss, but who will not purchase a ticket to your movie because it is not as sharp as an IMAX film, will it even get a filmout? On a DVD the resolution is not so much of an issue, lighting, color, and production value will be more visable...

The bottom line is, if you have the production values, and a camera that gives better than true RGB 1280x720 in the finished print on the screen, you need to worry more about your script and poster than the pixel count or sensor type...
 
2/3" Scarlet should be able to fully resolve a 2k theatrical format digital image if the lenses are up to the task.
 
Nick Armstrong said:
The 2/3" Cinema for the Red Scarlet seems the most afortable in price for indie film makers. Is it possible to film a professional looking 24p movie and make it for the theatrical (big screen) release? I ask this because I see its Mysterium is the smallest among the others.
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as long as your story doesnt suck.
good actors.
good lighting.
good editing.
great sound.
then yes.. you can make a "professional" movie
if you lack any of those.. then i wont see your movie:bleh:
 
28 Days Later.

SD video.

The camera is by far the least important link in the filmmaking chain.

You can still shoot a great film for great distribution with a DVX100. Maybe you're handicapped over shooting 35, but with a great script, great actors great sound, great editing, great shooting and great lighting you'll go as far as you want to go.

As far as shooting a perfect, pristine filmout, the ASC recently showed that most movie theaters end up showing 720P as far as resolved lines on the screen. So take that as you will.
 
Nick Armstrong said:
Is it possible to film a professional looking 24p movie and make it for the theatrical (big screen) release?
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I love the many iterations of this question that pop up on these boards. "Will this camera get my movie in theaters?" Take some time to learn the market and distribution models (or lack there of) for independent films and then ask the real question, "how will my movie get in theaters?"
 
Don't forget - Slumdog Millionaire (SI-2K)

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1053835239433

caseyhayward is spot on about all those people keep asking whether the camera is good enough for threatrical release (I just spent a whole week watching a whole bunch of indie films ... don't want to comment on them. Let say it was a lot of effort but ... lots of them are shoot on 35mm! 3 of them are about bunch of people walking into the woods and got kill, and another 2 about bunch of people walk into a house and got kill. CAN THEY STOP DOING THIS KIND OF CRAP???)

If you have a script from Simon Beaufoy and Danny Boyle as director, (Don't forget Anthony Dod Mantle as DOP) you can shoot the damn thing on DV :) they will still get a theatrical release.

On the other hand, Scarlet give the power to a new breed of film makers. If you have a great story, good script, fantastic eye on detail, amazing personality (yes it's a must!!!) plus good with begging things for free. You can go out and shoot your feature with "NO" budget.
 
Nick Armstrong said:
First thing i want to say is it's great I came to know about Red and its cameras, sincerely they're great. This might be very beginner question I'm asking :)

The 2/3" Cinema for the Red Scarlet seems the most afortable in price for indie film makers. Is it possible to film a professional looking 24p movie and make it for the theatrical (big screen) release? I ask this because I see its Mysterium is the smallest among the others.

Also is there a release date for the Red Scarlet? Thanks for your help.
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:wink: Yes you can, believe me! All digital projectors in cinemas there highest resolution like BARCO are 2K
http://www.barco.com/corporate/en/products/category.asp?catid=11
, so the scarlet shoots at a nice 3K you will even have to downscale it. But I do want to mention that the bigger you can shoot the better S/N therefor the S35 would be a better choice , shoot at 5K and downscale to 2K , the sensor will handle better low light situations and results in a better image.

Katty galloo
 
I already know that the Red one requires intel based macs to edit on. Im wondering if the scarlet will be the same way.
 
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