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Query - Purchasing for UK

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Andrew Usher

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Hi,
Sorry if this is in the wrong place. I am really now pretty much sure i want a Scarlet, thinking of the Cannon Collection at $15,490. Does anyone know if there is extra charge to the UK, such as customs duty, VAT etc, as if there is that may add substantially to the cost and prohibit a purchase for me. I have emailed the UK service address and awaiting a reply, so maybe being impatient :shocked:

Andrew.
 
Argh, that may kill my budget as i would imagine those extras may come in to nearly as much as a quarter of the price again on top if not more....
 
Yeah, purchasing on behalf of our medical practice, and as a rural practice in Scotland, you cant claim that back against Vat, its a complicated system from a rural GP practice perspective, drug stock can be claimed back, and anything pertaining to the pharmacy. So to claim the Vat, i would need to set up an alternative company, or register myself etc, and that would make our accountant very unhappy, lol.

So, its looking like a no go for a Scarlet, which is a great shame, need to consider holding out for the BMCC.
 
Yeah i know about VAT, i run a medical practice with a pharmacy, and deal with VAT. I wasn't sure if having an office in the UK, that there was reflective prices, like a lof of companies do or stock holding in bulk to make figures comparative. I figured there would be maybe a slightly larger cost, as is much of the way in the UK. i am also not claiming any sinister costs, and had considered shipping, as i live in a remote and rural area and we always pay over the odds for shipping due to location. Its just not clear on the main site at the point of purchase, what the import charge is if any ( i thought HD Camera didnt have import, only VAT applied), if there was a local US Sales Tax applied, what UK shipping would be, etc, hence my asking.

A.
 
Oh, and i have contacted Red Europe twice, and await a reply, was just seeing if anyone had purchased and knew the figures...
I know have a rough idea as someone kindly sent me a pm on what they paid. So many thanks.

A.
 
Just interested Andrew, why would a medical practice need a camera?
 
Hello Andrew,

I'm based in Scotland too and had a look at an invoice from Red. Unfortunately, only the VAT and S&H are listed separately. The duty charges must be rolled into the the unit price.

I would imagine that the best thing to do is to wait for a reply or follow-up your enquiries, but I'm guessing that with the recent price announcements, they'll be pretty slammed for a while. Certainly I've requested quotes in the past and received a speedy response.

Mondo
 
Andrew Usher said:
Hi,
Sorry if this is in the wrong place. I am really now pretty much sure i want a Scarlet, thinking of the Cannon Collection at $15,490. Does anyone know if there is extra charge to the UK, such as customs duty, VAT etc, as if there is that may add substantially to the cost and prohibit a purchase for me. I have emailed the UK service address and awaiting a reply, so maybe being impatient :shocked:

Andrew.
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I explained the process and pricing here;

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?87203-EU-Prices-for-RED-product-Clarity
 
Andrew Usher said:
Yeah, purchasing on behalf of our medical practice, and as a rural practice in Scotland, you cant claim that back against Vat, its a complicated system from a rural GP practice perspective, drug stock can be claimed back, and anything pertaining to the pharmacy. So to claim the Vat, i would need to set up an alternative company, or register myself etc, and that would make our accountant very unhappy, lol.

So, its looking like a no go for a Scarlet, which is a great shame, need to consider holding out for the BMCC.
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Why can't you claim the VAT back? If the goods are needed/required for your business, that's the only requirement. If I need medical supplies/cover for a shoot, I can claim that back... even furniture (if used as props) - or office supplies etc.

It all depends if HMRC check - and, if they do, make sure you can validate the purchase.

So, if you're purchasing to make a promotional film, or are setting up a system were it's an element to the practice (ie - making video interviews of patients whilst testing a treatment - or focusing on health aspects in the rural community) then there shouldn't be an issue.

On purchasing from RED Europe - think of adding approx 5% to the USD purchase price (roughly - things may have changed since I dealt with them) & then you'll have VAT on top of that.
 
Costelloe Michael said:
Just interested Andrew, why would a medical practice need a camera?
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It doesnt, But i want one. And we do use cameras for summative assessments, dermatology captures, etc.
But i also do other work, such as sports enhancement and coaching, so its not a purchase for the practice per say.

A.
 
I'd suggest slightly editing your reply above :) (ie 'it does')

And, if you use a camera as you say, you can claim the VAT back as it is linked with your business 'needs'.
 
Andy White said:
Why can't you claim the VAT back? If the goods are needed/required for your business, that's the only requirement. If I need medical supplies/cover for a shoot, I can claim that back... even furniture (if used as props) - or office supplies etc.

It all depends if HMRC check - and, if they do, make sure you can validate the purchase.

So, if you're purchasing to make a promotional film, or are setting up a system were it's an element to the practice (ie - making video interviews of patients whilst testing a treatment - or focusing on health aspects in the rural community) then there shouldn't be an issue.

On purchasing from RED Europe - think of adding approx 5% to the USD purchase price (roughly - things may have changed since I dealt with them) & then you'll have VAT on top of that.
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I explained this, a rural medical practice is partly VAT rated, medical services are non VAT and exempt, but pharmacy related are VAT incurring. Its just crazy the way its been set up and drives our accountant mad. BUT unless you understand the old inducement medical system, and the new GMS, then it wont really make sense to most people. In a nutshell if the camera could be attributed to dispensing, then VAT could be partially claimed back, BUT it can't.....

A.
 
Mmm.

Then, maybe you need to commission a video production highlighting the Pharmacy side of the business. The invoice for this can carry VAT (?)

Essentially, the video production cost then pays for the camera. Essentially, purchasing goods and services, rather than just goods.

I'm sure there are better ways around it - I'm not an accountant but have run a few large private companies before & it's amazing how some things are written down.
 
Andy White said:
Mmm.

Then, maybe you need to commission a video production highlighting the Pharmacy side of the business. The invoice for this can carry VAT (?)

Essentially, the video production cost then pays for the camera. Essentially, purchasing goods and services, rather than just goods.

I'm sure there are better ways around it - I'm not an accountant but have run a few large private companies before & it's amazing how some things are written down.
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I couldn't do that, to me it would be immoral and unethical, and as a partner in a medical practice I am bound by an ethical code, and besides it not how i roll, i am one of those straight down the middle type people. We run a tight ship, and only claim for what is right.

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For my own rough measures before I pester my rep for actual price quotes, I just convert the USD price and add 27%, gets to about what you pay in GBP (inc VAT). As Alan said in his linked post above the duty charged varies from product to product.
 
Andrew Usher said:
I couldn't do that, to me it would be immoral and unethical, and as a partner in a medical practice I am bound by an ethical code, and besides it not how i roll, i am one of those straight down the middle type people. We run a tight ship, and only claim for what is right.

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I see what you are saying, but I don't think it would be anything 'shady' or present any conflict for a Hippocratic oath... simply rather than buying the kit outright, you'd be buying the kit and making a video (or some other promotional tool) & the output content would be the element that's invoiced.

Other than that, your earlier suggestion of a separate company would seem to be the best choice - and you'll still get VAT issues on other kit (Red or BMC etc).

Have you considered setting up a charity or charitable organisation in order to make this work for you?

It really depends what you want to achieve and where ownership needs to sit on kit etc.

Just more ideas thrown into the mix :)
 
The problem is attributing a video to the pharmacy, as there are strict rules governing publicity and promotion with it being an NHS business. The whole NHs side of things is a mess, as although we are technically self employed, we work under contract, but don't get the benefits of being VAT registered, and they are really super tight about what can be claimed for, and how much VAT applied. For example, simple things like a ream of paper, can't be claimed against unless its used 100 percent in the pharmacy printer. It's typical nonsense, some administrator someone picking and deciding frameworks.

looking at this, I think it will be a personal purchase, and I'll need to accept the VAT charge.

But thanks for your posts, had my creative juices running.

A.
 
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