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Proxie Editing & ONLINE

Mark Toia

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Proxie Editing & ONLINE

This could be the most important email for a lot of you struggling with POST.
We have just finished months of major testing towards grading of RED footage, editing of RED footage and finished POST & Mastering to SRHD.

Over the last 8 months of shooting many big budget RED jobs and posting many different ways we have come to a point that for TV AD LAND we have been wasting lots of time and money in POST rendering files that quite honestly don't need to be rendered.

Having to RENDER everything out to TAPE or to a readable format for the AVID guys was becoming to much of a chore. Rendering all the files out to either DPX , tiff or even PRO RES was taking for ever as well. Especially if you've shot about 6 hours of footage.
We have tested and tested and re-tested to find the quickest way to edit, online, grade and to master RED out to HD / 2k / sd etc.

In short it goes like this.

Set REC709 in your RED CAMERA Quick time proxy settings.
Once shot place your 1k or 2k REC709 Proxy Quicktimes directly into the FCP time line. FCP should auto set the sequence time line to PRO RES 10bit (hq) at what ever file dimension (2k 0r 1k) you throw into it. Simple.

Set time line to unlimited RT and set your playback to LOW.
Now edit and grade away happily in FCP. No rendering needed at this stage.
For example I have just dropped 4hours 22mins of RED 2k proxie quicktimes into my Final cut time line, It took less than 5 seconds to load it all in and play and edit.
I usually do this on set in my laptop for the clients.

Simple.

Now If you have incorrectly exposed your shot on the day, Just go back to RED ALERT adjust your brightness, exposure or contrast of that shot to give your self more information. Then Generate new quicktime proxies via RED ALERT. (this will take less than 2 seconds to do).These will replace themselves automatically in your FCP time line.

Simple

Ok your edit is done, your client loves it. You now set your RT to safe and your playback to HIGH. You will see a RED RENDER line appear above your edit. You press RENDER. (It will RENDER the time line in PRO RES (HQ) 30sec at 2k is around 1 minute to RENDER out using a standard 8 core MAC.
Your TV AD, music Video etc etc is Done finished in HD or HD and ready to go to tape, TV Stations, DVD...etc.

Easy.

We do this daily without a single hiccup on very large projects.

see link: http://www.zoomfilmtv.com.au/ftp/Rec709_vs_PDlog/

As you can see with this grade test using just the QT proxies up against the RENDER intensive DPX method. The difference between the DPX process and the QT proxie use is not going to give you hardly anymore to play with.
I recommend using either the DPX or direct R3d grading if you have completely stuffed up exposure on the day of shooting it.

Happy Shooting.:gun:
 
Big T, you have no idea how much I appreciate this complete breakdown.

This is a tremendous help. Thank You.

Andrew

Little Rock
 
Great test, I agree that the 2k proxy route is pretty good for a quick workflow.

Do you have to change the proxies to be REC709? What colorspace are the proxies normally?

The QT was interesting also, but clearly the coloring/grading on the DPX/Pablo was superior in the harsh lighting and controlling exposure of the sky/exteriors. I feel like in commercial/music video land where its a 1-5minute project, its worth the extra time dealing with the DPX workflow if you can afford it.

I still do the 2k proxy workflow with a little REDCINE, we can't afford a DaVinci/Scratch on my projects :/

Matt
 
Hi Big T!

What a wonderful job buddy! appreciate for sharing your hard working experience.
Whenever you come to Mainland China or Hong Kong, I must hang out have drink with you, off cause bill on me! Haha

Cheers

Perry Ho
Dop - Mainland China & Hong Kong
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1660475/
 
Hi Big T!

What a wonderful job buddy! appreciate for sharing your hard working experience.
Whenever you come to Mainland China or Hong Kong, I must hang out have drink with you, off cause bill on me! Haha

Cheers

Perry Ho
Dop - Mainland China & Hong Kong
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1660475/

Thanks Perry,
No need to shout me a beer mate.
But next time I'm in HK, I'll drop you a line.
I'm friends with Fung from CINETEC

cheers
 
Good info, Big T. One question:
You mention you did this in laptop. What's the specs?
Cheers
 
FX with Proxies?

FX with Proxies?

Can you use FX with proxies? For instance, Chromakey, Vari speeds, tracking/stabilization.

Also what grading tools do you mention? FCP 3 way corrector plugin? or apple colour?

thanks
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why REC709 Proxy Quicktimes?

why REC709 Proxy Quicktimes?

Why REC709 Proxy Quicktimes?

best
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So Big T, no gamma correction curves between redalert and fcp as you stated before in another thread? Only set on camera quicktime proxies to rec 709? This is sounds clever.
I don't have my camera right now, it comes back net week but do you mean to shoot with rec 709 in view mode or there's a way to set only proxies in rec 709 and shooting viewing raw?
 
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