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I am editing on a PC and cannot find a product that fits my needs. My team and I have a decent size project we are budgeting for at the moment and I want to work in a solid storage solution that we can also edit off of. There are quite a few options for large storage RAID setups with fast read speeds to edit our footage but they all seem to be thunderbolt.

I dabbled with a thunderbolt card awhile ago and I found it to be somehow unreliable. I am looking to find a solid storage solution and connect with 10GBe ( or possbily usb 3.1) but all the solutions by qnap, synology and the like have so many different variables when it comes to CPU options, RAM, drive connections etc.

Can anyone suggest a solid option that while house around 35+TB and provide some solid speed to work within our editing workflow. What are examples of what some people are doing here? My other option is to possibly swap out my small ssd raid0 setup i use now with 4 enterprise HDD in raid 0 internally and just keep seperate backups of the raw media.

ANy examples and tips are hugely appreciated!

(we are shooting on a red epic-w so file sizes can be taxing as you all know!
 
I read down a bit and saw that this question was basically already answered on the forum just below. This post can be deleted if it serves no purpose! looks like a qnap tvs 871 with 10GBe is the way to go for me!
 
If you need to edit and finish 4K Raw files, I'd suggest the G-Speed Studio XL, which goes up to 80TB. I'm using a 64TB model right now, and I'm getting read speeds of about 1100MB/s. Very reliable so far. Be earned it's Thunderbolt-only, so your system would have to be Thunderbolt (or USB 3.1)-savvy.

I'm positive if you talked to G-Tech they could work out your connectivity issue provided it was a current machine and you had the right drivers and so on.
 
GB Labs - Space....or Fast NAS if you want to skimp and get a Qnap like product
 
Hi -
You have not stated if this is for LOCAL storage for your one computer, or if you have multiple computers that need to share this one storage volume. If it's one local computer to one drive array, the suggestions for G-Tech Studio XL are accurate if you have a thunderbolt connection. Other companies for thunderbolt, like Promise Pegasus series will also work well for you. So will the Maxx Digital ThunderRAID. But you are on a PC. You can do this as cheaply as sticking some SATA drives in your PC and doing a local RAID in your box. Or get a dedicated hardware RAID card like an Areca or Highpoint card, and connect this to an external SATA RAID array. There are lots of companies, like Maxx Digital and G-Tech that sell all of this.
However if you want to have multiple people connect to the single array for shared storage, then some of the suggestions above can be correct. I personally put in QNAP shared storage systems all the time with 10G interfaces (your PC will need a 10G card like a Sonnet Presto 10GbE, ASUS 10G NIC, Intel X550, or ATTO NT11 card). This can connect to the 10G port on various boxes, and if you have multiple users, you can get an inexpensive Netgear 10G switch, to have multiple computers connect. The suggestion of a GB Labs Space is excellent if you want to spend a lot of money, and if you are in London. To spend a fraction of that price, you can get a QNAP or a Synology with a 10G port. The QNAP you mentioned - the TVS-871T, has just been discontinued. Excellent models at similar price points
are the TVS-1282T, or TS-1685. And don't forget you have to add DRIVES to these boxes, in addition to the cost of the QNAP or Synology. Same applies to Maxx Digital, G-Tech or Promise. And for doing 4K and 6K work, I strongly recommend not using less than
eight SATA drives.
As for 45drives - I wish they would simply either show up to a show like the NAB show in Vegas or Cinegear in LA - or put some specs on their website, that shows the user interface, instead of just saying that "it uses FreeNAS". You want reliability and support from
THAT COMPANY and if 45drives is using FreeNAS, it's my opinion that they should show the user interface, with some simple explanation of how to assign users, groups, share points, etc. and not simply refer to the web WiKi "FreeNAS". You are busy editing, and shooting - not becoming an IT manager for FreeNAS.

Bob Zelin
 
I agree with Bob above: the QNAP or Synology drives work well for small-office shared storage.
 
Thank you Misha, for proving my point. If you follow the link to http://doc.freenas.org/11/freenas.html, you can have fun reading thru this enormous document, and becoming an expert at getting FreeNAS to work.
This is in contrast to simply plugging in a Promise Pegasus, G-Tech Studio XL, or Maxx ThunderRaid, which will simply mount on your desktop and you go to work. And this is in contrast to a product from Synology or QNAP
(or Netgear ReadyNas) where when you want to add a user, you click on the USER Icon, and Create User, or if you want to create a new shared folder, you click on Shared Folders, and click "Create Shared Folder".
And to defend the rest of the established companies - like GB Labs, Studio Network Solutions, Facilis, EditShare, AVID Nexis, Apace Systems, Archion, Tiger Technologies, etc. all of these companies have everything setup for you, and
will be on the phone with you to assist in the setup and configuration of your computers to the shared storage. None of these companies say "ok - here is the FreeNAS manual on the web - good luck !".
Again, I simply don't understand why 45Drives does not clearly show, and explain the user interface for 45Drives. Is this company about "here is the box - good luck". Or do they provide a working solution. This is similar to
either buying a pre built iMac Pro, HP Z840, Dell Precision Workstation, etc. - or having someone say "oh, you should get an ASUS Motherboard, an Intel i7, some Kingston RAM, an NVidia GTX-1080ti, a Corsair power supply, some Samsung SSD's,
a copy of Microsoft Windows 10 Pro, and build your own PC". I would say that the vast majority of people have NO INTEREST in doing this, and IF they want to have a "custom PC" - instead of an HP Z8 or Z840, they will go to a company in
our industry like Puget Systems or Silverdraft, and get a prefabricated Win 10 PC workstation that will be ready to run Resolve, Premiere, RedCine X, etc. For most people, this is their career, not a "science project". I don't consider
Linus' endorsement of 45Drives on YouTube to be a professional endorsement for video professionals.

Bob Zelin
 
Bob Zelin said:
Thank you Misha, for proving my point. If you follow the link to http://doc.freenas.org/11/freenas.html, you can have fun reading thru this enormous document, and becoming an expert at getting FreeNAS to work.
This is in contrast to simply plugging in a Promise Pegasus, G-Tech Studio XL, or Maxx ThunderRaid, which will simply mount on your desktop and you go to work. And this is in contrast to a product from Synology or QNAP
(or Netgear ReadyNas) where when you want to add a user, you click on the USER Icon, and Create User, or if you want to create a new shared folder, you click on Shared Folders, and click "Create Shared Folder".
And to defend the rest of the established companies - like GB Labs, Studio Network Solutions, Facilis, EditShare, AVID Nexis, Apace Systems, Archion, Tiger Technologies, etc. all of these companies have everything setup for you, and
will be on the phone with you to assist in the setup and configuration of your computers to the shared storage. None of these companies say "ok - here is the FreeNAS manual on the web - good luck !".
Again, I simply don't understand why 45Drives does not clearly show, and explain the user interface for 45Drives. Is this company about "here is the box - good luck". Or do they provide a working solution. This is similar to
either buying a pre built iMac Pro, HP Z840, Dell Precision Workstation, etc. - or having someone say "oh, you should get an ASUS Motherboard, an Intel i7, some Kingston RAM, an NVidia GTX-1080ti, a Corsair power supply, some Samsung SSD's,
a copy of Microsoft Windows 10 Pro, and build your own PC". I would say that the vast majority of people have NO INTEREST in doing this, and IF they want to have a "custom PC" - instead of an HP Z8 or Z840, they will go to a company in
our industry like Puget Systems or Silverdraft, and get a prefabricated Win 10 PC workstation that will be ready to run Resolve, Premiere, RedCine X, etc. For most people, this is their career, not a "science project". I don't consider
Linus' endorsement of 45Drives on YouTube to be a professional endorsement for video professionals.

Bob Zelin
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Freedom of choice Bob.

I am the tech+ guy for a small local network(RTV + commercials + art projects, 25+ people) and when I want to keep my job I have to prove myself cost effective.
Now looking at the possibilities for a redundant ~ 1 PB storage R/W speeds upto 2 or 4 GB/s at separate places(other side of the city).
 
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