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"Pro logic x" vs "Adobe Audtion"

Joel Arvidsson

Joel Arvidsson

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I edit in premiere (and in a few weeks I will give fcpx a chance) and rarely touches adobe audition. Both premiere and fcpx has voice over recording functions. Do you find them good enough for vo and shorter "audiobooks" readings?
Or would you still recommend getting deeper into Adobe Audition or Pro logic x?

Wich program do you prefer and why?

What pros and cons do you find using these programs?
 
Pro Tools, for a lot of reasons. One is the vast array of plug-ins available (both RTAS and AAX). You can get very, very fast cutting dialogue in Pro Tools, and that particularly applies to audio books and narration.
 
Actually, Logic X has tons of plugins built in, some highly regarded. I've been on Pro Tools for a long time, but have to say I really like the built in tools of Logic. Honestly for what you are trying to do, any of them would suffice. If cost matters, Logic is $199 and you own it. Audition comes with CC for monthly subscription, and Pro Tools can be purchase or subscription.

FCPX, Avid, and Premiere all have built in VO tools as well, so not impossible to do it inside the NLE. But more than anything else, it will be the way you go about recording the VOs or Audio Books that makes the most difference. What mics, preamps, sound treatment, etc will you be using? The other thing is, what will your workflow be like? Will you need to be punching in on tracks, how will you communicate with talent, what kind of quality are you looking to achieve?
 
Steve brings up many good observations. I totally agree that for just voice-over, anything can work as long as the room is good, the acoustics are good, the mic is good, and the signal chain is good. Heck, I'd say out of all those, the room is by far the most important.

I just heard an NBC promo last night and was stunned to hear a network voice over that sounded like it was recorded in a bathroom. So even the big A-list companies sometimes fall down on something as simple as a 10-second voice-over. Bad acoustics will kill a great mic pretty quickly.
 
Ok thanks, I will start out using premiere since its my daily tool and go from there. I will pickup a Neuman Tlm 103 and the new apollo twin duo mk2 this week. I have a decent sound in the studio space. But soon I will build a wispering both or fix the editing room for voice recordings. Its does not look so nice with smaller vocal both. So im pretty sure I end up with sound proofing the editing room wich will have no computer in it. Just screens. I could just keep improving the studio space, but its more cosy recording in the editing room.

So how does logic play with fcpx? and does it play equal to premiere?
 
I like Protools. You may not need it but Audition has pretty powerful tools for repairing minor problems. It's worth exploring.
 
I got my Masters in sound design and film production at Chapman University and we used Pro Tools for everything. Because of the amount of work being done in the school suites, I bought PT9 for myself and had been pretty much set for the most part since I graduated. A few years later things started getting complicated with Windows 7 coming out and being my new OS of choice and I just kept having issues with PT9 mixed in with my main computer which does 3D and video work. For my most recent award-winning film, "The Review - A Fatal Frame Fan Film", I took the opportunity to familiarize myself with Audition. Overall, it was a pleasant experience and other than an initial slight learning curve to get everything setup plugin-wise, it was great. However, I don't know if 2017 fixed this but Audition crashed frequently when I used various plugins to fix audio and tweak reverb. I even had to switch from Waves to Izotope just to make the project work as all my Waves tools crashed after one section's worth. Izotope was a lot more stable and thankfully did all of what I wanted and more. Now, this was all raw audio manual syncing and everything bounced from Premiere, I didn't have Pluraleyes or anything so I can't say if less clutter from that will help or not as I have since gotten Pluraleyes and wondered how I ever did without it lol! I would actually have loved to try Pro Tools 10 or 11 but Avid is all subscription now and I even bought and had to have refunded a PT9 to 11 upgrade card because Avid no longer accepts upgrades. I would also love to pony up to PT12 HD but I can't justify the price since Audition, though perhaps a little quirky, does 95% of what I would want to do. Also, the subscription for Pro Tools is just too much, I've already got so many 3D software maintenance fees and other software subscriptions that I can't see adding another one when it's redundant due to Adobe Cloud. Of course, I'm an independent artist and I can do as I please software-wise, if I were setting up a business or doing sound for a living then you have to have Pro Tools of some kind, no question. Hopefully that gives you a little insight and helps you out with deciding what works best for you.
 
Joel Arvidsson said:
I edit in premiere (and in a few weeks I will give fcpx a chance) and rarely touches adobe audition. Both premiere and fcpx has voice over recording functions. Do you find them good enough for vo and shorter "audiobooks" readings?
Or would you still recommend getting deeper into Adobe Audition or Pro logic x?

Wich program do you prefer and why?

What pros and cons do you find using these programs?
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I avoid VO recording in FCPX because I find the audio levels too low, instead use external recorder and bring in via SD card.

I use and absolutely love iZotope RX for audio editting and normalizing VO's over Audition, etc.. https://www.izotope.com/en/products/repair-and-edit/rx.html
 
Blair Thornton said:
I avoid VO recording in FCPX because I find the audio levels too low, instead use external recorder and bring in via SD card.

I use and absolutely love iZotope RX for audio editting and normalizing VO's over Audition, etc.. https://www.izotope.com/en/products/repair-and-edit/rx.html
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I now have the apollo twin duo mk2 and the neuman tlm 103 wich Im sure will work great. Im still waiting for the macbook pro so I cant try them out yet... My first plan was to use an external recoder but I think this is a better solution in the long run even thoe and external recorder would have been more usefull in more applications.

Izotope RX seams very interesting but I didnt think it was an audioeditor but a plugin. Will Check out you link later this evening.

The best about Adobe audition is that I already have it in the Creative Cloud. But Im willing to cash a little for logic x if some one could convince me its a better experience using.

By the way, have anybody tried waves "vocal rider"? (I bought it, but will install it on the macbook pro when it arrives), is it any good?
 
It looks like you can still buy a Pro Tools perpetual license http://www.avid.com/pro-tools/how-to-buy Am I missing something?

I'm getting killed with subscriptions and am doing all I can to use perpetually licensed software. Looks like a losing battle. Sorry if it's off topic.
 
Logic, Audition, Premiere and even FCP could do the job but let's be clear. Pro Tools is what you will find in the vast majority of professional to semi professional studios or home studios. If sound quality matters, if compatibility with other sound professionals matters, then Pro Tools is the best tool for doing all types of audio production from music, to post, to games.
Just my opinion.
 
B_Carter said:
Logic, Audition, Premiere and even FCP could do the job but let's be clear. Pro Tools is what you will find in the vast majority of professional to semi professional studios or home studios. If sound quality matters, if compatibility with other sound professionals matters, then Pro Tools is the best tool for doing all types of audio production from music, to post, to games.
Just my opinion.
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Sorry, I have to disagree. Yes Pro Tools is used most in professional studios but the sound quality is not depending on the program you use.
To make it clear, when you record audio in a professional audio programm all will sound the same only the plugins and effects you use in the
programm are different in quality.

There are some points that have to be considered to get a good recording.
Most important is the room "sound" after that Mic, Preamp, AD conversion, monitoring and so on.

If you plan to record mostly your own voice you should test a wide variety of Microphones.
Some will suit your voice better than others! Rent some and try it out.
 
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